KB3035583 Installing Windows 10 using Windows Update?

Do you think there is any way to get Microsoft to court for what they're doing with us?

Microsoft was embarrassed by customer's lack of acceptance for Vista and Windows 8. Microsoft failed to LISTEN to their customers. Microsoft produced versions of Windows that we did not want with features we did not need. Customers rejected those versions.

Now comes Windows 10. Perhaps Microsoft does not want to be embarrassed by customers again rejecting a version of windows that we do not want or need.

One way to avoid having customers reject Windows 10 would have been to actually listen to customers and give us a version of Windows we really want. But apparently, Microsoft does not want to use that method ... instead they appear to be avoiding transparency regarding Windows Updates whose sole purpose seems to be nagging customers into installing Windows 10. And if we try to hide these "nag" Updates, Microsoft unhides them in an attempt to get them installed (regardless of their customer's wishes).

In addition to releasing, re-releasing, and re-re-re-releasing "nag" Updates, it also appears that even in cases where customers do not respond to the nagging (i.e., those customers who do not want to install Windows 10), Microsoft still (in some cases) downloads the Windows 10 installation files. The files total approximately 3 to 6 Gigabytes; the unrequested download uses up network bandwidth and uses up hard disk space when stored on customer's computers. For more info on the huge Windows 10 installation files being downloaded without permission, see http://www.infoworld.com/article/2983777/microsoft-windows/how-to-clean-the-windows-10-crapware-off-your-windows-7-or-81-pc.html

Why would Microsoft download Windows 10 installation files to customers who have not asked for them???? Well, perhaps Microsoft is counting each occurrence of these unrequested downloads as a "Windows 10 installation".

So, when Microsoft releases a statement as to how well customers are accepting Windows 10, perhaps those numbers include cases where customers have received an unrequested download of the Windows 10 installation files.

Rather than resorting to these kind of tricks to boost the numbers, Microsoft needs only to do one thing to get customers to accept a new version of windows ... LISTEN to customer feedback, be transparent about the purpose of Updates, honor customer's request to hide specific Updates, do not force customers to accept/install all Updates (let customers choose which Updates to accept and which to reject), do not send any telemetry data back to Microsoft without customer's explicit permission, and give us a Windows version that meets our needs. For more information on how Windows 10 is snooping, see http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/attempting-to-answer-whether-ms-is-snooping/

Not at all sure the list of steps applies if Win10 install has already strated.

The GWX killer app described by Woody Leonhard may be better in that case.

I disagree with Woody on one point the WU setting must be Never.

More on WLM

WLM is an outstanding product.  I have been using it for about 4 years now and I have installed it on many client computers, including some that were using Outlook.  In my opinion, WLM is a better product than Outlook. 

WLM is part of a whole package of products called Windows Live Essentials.  It was created a number of years ago in one of those Microsoft attempts to out-AOL, AOL.  It failed and the huge staff that created it were dispersed, but the mail item (WLM) was such a success, it keeps dragging Microsoft along. 

There is a 2012 version of Windows Live Essentials which will probably work ok for you as long as you do not use "groups" in your contacts.  They screwed up that part in the 2012 version.  If you do use groups, you want the 2011 version.  http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

When you download this, at one point it will ask you which components of Windows Live Essentials you want to install.  Uncheck all but the Mail component.  When you start WLM for the first time, it will search for importable contacts, mail accounts and mail and automatically import it all.  So have your converted files on the computer before you start WLM.

WLM is a very problematic product for Microsoft and many others.  In fact, Gmail has recently caused a problem by tagging WLM as a less than secure one.  You need to lower the security level on your Gmail account to get it to export to WLM.

The reason WLM is not desirable to them is that it takes away the opportunity to profile you and throw ads in your face on the web mail product.  A strength to the average user and a weakness to those trying to make money by pushing those ads in your face.

When you have WLM in place and you have it working the way you want it to.  I suggest you change the frequency of checking for new mail from 20 minutes to 2.

Also, I recommend moving the message store from the default location, about 7 levels down up to a higher level so you can easily find it to do backups.  WLM includes a Move tool to do this.

Another not well known fact about WLM:  If you backup the entire WLM file folder and you at some point need to replace your drive or re-install Windows, that folder will do magical things.  You will read that there is no backup of the calendar function -- which is very handy by the way.  That is only partly true.  If after re-building your system and installing WLM (before you actually run WLM), you replace the default WLM folder in the newly re-created system with the folder you backed up, you will have WLM completely and exactly as it was -- I mean all the folders, mail, contacts, calendar, etc, even the detail setup and options you chose.  By this I mean you do not import mail and contacts from backup, in this case

If you have your contacts in a file on your computer, when you first start WLM, it will automatically import them.  Same true of mail if it is in one of a few formats.

Thank you Canada! I have Windows Live Essentials in my list of programs,

but ignored it since I wasn't sure what all it contained.

I will definitely try to sort it out, tonight or tomorrow. Going to shut down my Win7 so I can follow your instructions on my friend's Win7 HP with the GWX on it. And all of the WU to be Uninstalled; off line and hope I'm safe from the Invaders there:-)

Time for you to relax!! I'm in the EST zone. 9:45PM here now.

Until later.....

Windows Live Mail is the answer to your Hotmail replacement.  A great program.  I use it extensively every day.  I have installed for at least 75 of my 150 clients.  It is Outlook (the MS Office App), but free and better. 

The 2011 version is better than the 2012 one.  It is part of Windows Live Essentials.

http://g.live.com/1rewlive4-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

If interested, I can provide much more on the topic.

http://www.canadiantech.info/for-techies/outlook-express-is-alive-and-well/

Mail for Windows 7

Outlook Express had been around for more than a decade. A very large number of people were very comfortable with it and had depended on it for years. It was originally an after-thought by Microsoft to add a bit of sweetener to Windows 98. It was a sort of downgraded or de-featured copy of their premier product Outlook which is part of Microsoft Office. When Windows XP came about, it continued as part of that version of Windows. When Vista came out, a “new” mail client was introduced called Windows Mail. As it turned out, it was a some-what improved version of Outlook Express.

Then Microsoft put on a billion dollar press to create an online Microsoft presence. Sort of like AOL or Yahoo.  A big hire was made. A fortune was spent. A thing called “Windows Live” was created. Windows LIve is a whole world of applications.  Windows Live is now re-named Windows Essentials. It even includes a sort of online version of Word. MSN Mail, which had earlier become HotMail, became Live Mail, and more lately Outlook (not the Outlook you find at the store). Do you find this all a bit confusing? I do! Google the words windows live and mail and you will find a plethora of what may be related or not.

At this point, the whole Live thing is pretty much a flop. The big muckity muck they hired to build it has gone to some other place.

Then Windows 7 was introduced. This time with much fanfare it was announced that Windows 7 did NOT have a mail program.

One of the elements of Live is a thing called “Windows Live Mail.” Does this sound confusing? You bet! I have spent hours and hours trying to find out what it is. It sounded like it was yet another name for HotMail — now re-named Live Mail. Is this a mail system that stores your mail on Microsoft servers or on your own computer? This is a key issue to many. Personally I am not willing to trust the storage and portability of my mail and contacts information to any company’s servers.

After all this research, I finally discovered that Windows Live Mail is in fact an email program that is really an improved version of the original Outlook Express. It includes a calendar tool, very much like the one in Outlook, a spam filter, some real improvements in displays.  Windows Live Mail comes with its own spell checker and works on the fly just like in Word.

Windows Live Mail is a free download that you can get without all the other stuff that you probably will not want. You have to be careful when you start this download to select just the pieces you want. At least Microsoft does offer this choice unlike Apple’s iTunes download. Windows Live Mail works in Vista and 7.