KB3035583 Installing Windows 10 using Windows Update?

Gerry asks "How have Microsoft forced Windows 10 upon me?"

If he had read this thread and allowed it to penetrate the see-no-evil barrier that he has erected, he would not be asking this question.

Force and fraud are the same thing.  They are both illegal because they wrongly deprive others of their legal rights.  By means of deception, starting with mislabeling the update, Microsoft has fraudulently forced Windows 10 upon their customers.

This is more than mere legalism.  My greatest concern in all of this is that I will power up the computer some morning to find that Win7 has been replaced by Win10--that somewhere along the way I mistakenly clicked on something that "authorized" them to do so, or that the same bunch of rogues who slipped us the Win10 nagware under false pretenses, and kept bringing it back over customer protests, will simply replace Win7 with Win10 and then dare us to sue them.

Their rewriting of user agreements to allow them to do what they want is consistent with that scenario.  If the issue reaches a court, however, the first thing that will come up is that user agreements are increasingly acknowledged to be a one-sided joke, and the larger question will be whether the customer has a property right in software that he licensed in the reasonable expectation that the licensor could not radically change the license terms, including disabling or replacing the software so that the licensor could make more money down the road.

One of the things that I have heard is that MS will force you to update, or they will stop sending anything ... even security up dates.  But that has become moot as the Update labels (security, recommended, optional) are now being deceiving so as to trick users into downloading.  Some were among the KB#s that I posted.  Now, I always check the more information link in Updates window prior.  Read everything or become  a victim.  Read the Terms of Use and I bet you'll be horrified.  ALL OSs are subject to the Win 10 language now ... accept the download, and you have effectively given your civil rights away.  Don't like that?  Then stop ALL updates.  Don't like that?  Then hire an ARMY of lawyers and it will end up in the Supreme Court after years litigation.  Where's the ACLU when you really need them?  Oh, I know where.

• Art

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I just noticed that one of my proofs of the MS trickery has been deleted from the forum ... they've done this before.  So, I'm leaving a link (to the MS Knowledge Base Terms of Use).  Let's see what happens now ... I know they are watching me as I write this.  I'd like to ...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/copyright/

READ THIS CAREFULLY!

Hi Gerry -

The key word to this update is "Telemetry" - which gives MS the ability to track where you are physically located.  Why would the want to do that, well for portable devices that will show ads for businesses in your physical local.  Just another means of intrusive advertisement.  Why would they want this on desktop devices?  For no reason but to physical track where people,  another 'Service' I don't need nor want.  I am a Libertarian and I strongly believe in my right to privacy.  I also read the Terms of Use for these 'updates' ... call it spying if you will, or call it a 'service'.  I call it spying.  Also, notice how benign the descriptions are with omissions that skirt the privacy issue completely.  MS has adopted the Win 10 language in the Terms of Use to state they can do anything with a user's private property, even disable it and that anything on your machine is considered public domain now.  Our machines are no longer private property as long as a MS OS is being used.  I'm done beating my chest on this one, but it's been nice debating with you again.  It give me a chance to get on my 'soap box'.  hehehe

• Art

Windows 10 was just plain introduced wrong.  It was not offered to customers.  It was essentially forced upon innocent masses.

It was offered to customers, albeit pushed hard by Microsoft. We all have a choice!

I have three computers. One has Windows 7, the second has Windows 8.1 and the third has Windows 10 (upgraded from Windows 7). It is likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future. I chose to knowingly upgrade one computer but not the other two. How was Windows 10 forced upon me?

I have 11 months in which to decide whether to accept a free upgrade for the other two computers. How have Microsoft forced Windows 10 upon me?

Microsoft and the third parties have not found a way to work together in the interests of their customers and fight with one another, resulting in victims, not customers.

Is it Microsoft or the third parties that are responsible for this state of affairs?

Gerry, we are not very different at all.  Our objectives are very similar. 

WdBurt1 is right too.  KB3035583 is the crux of the matter.  It was (and still may be) conducted in a very under-handed manner.  The result is that a decades-long trusted tool -- Windows Update -- was misused in a dishonest way.  Not just sneaking it in, but misrepresenting what it was (is) and repetitively re-installing without limit in spite of obvious attempts by users to stop it. 

Windows 10 was just plain introduced wrong.  It was not offered to customers.  It was essentially forced upon innocent masses.   I don't know in what place you could justify that behavior.   They did not and to this day do not provide customers any way to say no.

My objectives are very similar to yours.  I am trying my best to help my clients optimize their investments in their interests. 

I have a long term great respect for what Microsoft has accomplished.  Windows is a wondrous achievement that has truly changed the world.  In history, as you well describe, Microsoft has responded to customers but only after extreme pressures.  It has never had an ear to the customer base out there and could only understand (or listen) when the screaming go so loud it could not be ignored.

Windows 7 in fact is a truly stunning achievement.  As far as I am concerned it is the gold standard.  My impression of Windows 10 is very unfavourable.  I suspect it is a better Windows 8 than 8 that should be labeled Windows 8.3, not 10.  The manner in which Win10 is being shoved on to peoples computers leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

I am optimistic that the market will tell Microsoft it has made yet another mistake.  And that Microsoft will actually hear the screams and produce a better product.  Until that happens, I will be guarding the Windows 7 frontier.

I need to add here that you are correct there are 3rd party tools, but somehow, they eventually do not work well.  Microsoft and the third parties have not found a way to work together in the interests of their customers and fight with one another, resulting in victims, not customers.  There was a day when Microsoft did not operate that way.