SECDRV.SYS Not Loading in Windows 10; this will break thousands of older games.

Anonymous
2015-08-01T20:13:40+00:00

Hello,

I have discovered an unfortunate problem with Windows 10.

Many games from the early-mid 2000's used Macrovision's SafeDisc (version 2) as a means of copy protection. At game startup, Windows loaded SECDRV.SYS to verify an original game disc was in the drive, after which the game would start.

When you try to run ANY game which uses this SafeDisc form of copy protection in Windows 10, the following happens:

 - You get an error window that tells you to log in with Administrator Privileges and to try again. This happens on any account, even those with Administrator access. The game fails to start.

 - If you then set "Run as Admin" compatibility mode on the game's startup file, the message disappears, but the game doesn't start.

 - Keeping a window open for C:\WINDOWS\SYSWOW64\DRIVERS shows SECDRV.SYS appearing at the moment you try to start the game. Based on its size, it appears to be the file that is present on the game disc (tested across several games), even though I see no disc activity and cannot find the file elsewhere on my system.

 - The Windows event log shows that SECDRV.SYS failed to load.

 - This happens both with an upgraded install (Windows 8.1 > Windows 10) and with a fresh Windows 10 install, with one of the games being installed immediately upon the fresh install completing.

 - On my Windows 64-bit 8.1 system, C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS has a folder called amd64_macrovision-protection-safedisc_31bf3856ad364e35_6.3.9600.16384_none_4e6b3758913c9240 with a SECDRV.SYS in it, presumably the one that ships with Windows. Windows 10 had such a folder in early builds, but it is missing from the release build. It appears SafeDisc support is missing entirely.

OTHER TESTING I HAVE DONE:

 - I updated one of the games to a version that no longer required the CD check, and it started immediately and ran perfectly once the check was removed. However, this is possible only with a very limited number of games, or resorting to fixes that violate the game's EULA or put the user's system security at risk.

 - I tried disabling driver signature verification and installing one of the games again; same problem.

 - Multiple compatibility modes; same problem. XP (Service Pack 3) mode and / or Run as Administrator mode make the error message go away, but the games still fail to launch.

SIGNIFICANCE:

Unless this is fixed in Windows 10, a massive catalog of older games will cease to function in Windows 10 for the simple reason that they cannot pass the SafeDisc copy protection check. I am accustomed to some games breaking with every new version of Windows as technology progresses (for example, the loss of the ability to run 16-bit programs in 64-bit Windows), but this seems to be an unnecessarily harsh change.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T16:56:36+00:00

    http://gamecopyworld.com/games/gcw.php

    Game Copy World is where I get my new exe files.

    Scan them of course with Bit Defender before use.

    Also I recommend using an add-on like WOT to avoid going to sites known to distribute viruses.

    It will ask before allowing a re-direct to a known bad site.  And rank sites on your google searches.

    Very helpful bit of software, which has helped me to avoid untold headaches.

    www.mywot.com

    Also Ghostery, Adblock, WOT and Antivirus will all kick in if you hit a 'bad' site by mistake.

    Last time I had a virus issue, almost nothing happened as the combination of these four pretty much stopped the trojan in its tracks before it could do any damage.  Was easy to clean up after.

    By the way there is a lovely independent site that ranks antivirus software.

    Failure rates vary by orders of magnitude.

    I don't think I have had a virus while using Bit Defender free.

    https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/

    Good luck.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T16:35:08+00:00

    no cd cracks are not necessarily free and easy. I can speak from practical experience I have had to reinstall a computer operating system and all programs from scratch as I could not completely rid my computer of all viruses and the 2 that remained kept propagating.

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T16:34:35+00:00

    I borrowed a DVD drive through my home group for my Win10 Tablet to install CIV IV and CIV III (with a no CD crack from a respected site).  My 4 core i7 portable 'work station' provided the donor DVD drive.

    Also bought a cheap external DVD drive for my daughters ultra-book spec i7, so she could load some games that were still on DVD and watch movies that were not on Net Flix.  Was also useful to install the old 2010 office software.

    My guess is that this policy of dumping secdrv is part of the new business model from MS of 'software as a service'.

    In the 'old' days of 2010 I bought a 3 license home MS Office edition on DVD.  This keeps my 3 main home machines happy, supplemented by Thunderbird for the email (who wants Outlook anyway?).

    On my work machine I have the Pro version, but also use Thunderbird (I hate Outlook).

    I use Open Office and the free 'mobile' office on my Win 10 Tablet and Open Office on an old portable.  2003 Office on my old XP and Win 7 desktop machines.

    I will wait a very very long time before I pay for software as a service.

    So I am sure that software producers are embracing MS's philosophy of generating a stable cash flow by forcing you to pay annual fees to use your software.  You can expect the 'buy once' model to disappear in the coming years.

    If you are in the USA you are more likely to suffer from lack of bandwidth than anywhere outside of the 3rd world, due to oligopolies and lack of effective consumer protections. 

    We will just 'suffer' with our fibre optic line to our house and dirt cheap unlimited data here in the socialist paradise of Norway.

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T16:02:32+00:00

    This is exactly why it is totally idiotic for MS to stop supporting the use of secdrv.sys on the grounds of 'security'.

    They are actually ensuring the infection of tens of thousands if not more of machines world wide.

    I also find it interesting that I get the choice of securing my files with EFS or backing them up with File History, but not both.  So I can secure my computer so no one can use my files and lose all my data at the same time or I can back them up so both the thieves and I get a copy.  Bitlocker will not work properly on my machine  as it has no TPM (or between my multiple machines and multiple backups) and I will not use full drive encryption anyway as this is a recipe to lose everything.  EFS even broke my traditional backup software that uses Shadow Copy.

    It took months to discover the FH stopped backing up all my files, nice of it to not even bother to give me an error message.

    Typical MS cludges.  Everything done half way.  Permanent Beta software.

    Never listen to customers either as far as I have seen.

    Skype is another typical example.  No way to block spam contact requests no matter what your security settings and no response ever since MS bought the software.  Probably cut development to the bone to save money.

    So my guess is we can all hold our breaths until we turn blue, load our computers with unsecure software, or re-buy our favourite games.  MS will never listen to us.

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T15:56:14+00:00

    getting a no cd crack is a good way to get viruses and malware.

    you paid for game legally, shouldn't have to go pirating

     console peasants have had to buy the game for the next gen console a second time and even a third time, pc gamers have successfully balked at that

    so this is simply MSFT imposing their desire to flog more game downloads, but my BD drive is still 5-10x faster to install games

    PC has moved to downloaded games from Steam et al. Everyone assumes unlimited bandwidth which is not realistic.

    now i have more than a few games from the old dvd era that will not work, and naturally i am balking

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