SECDRV.SYS Not Loading in Windows 10; this will break thousands of older games.

Anonymous
2015-08-01T20:13:40+00:00

Hello,

I have discovered an unfortunate problem with Windows 10.

Many games from the early-mid 2000's used Macrovision's SafeDisc (version 2) as a means of copy protection. At game startup, Windows loaded SECDRV.SYS to verify an original game disc was in the drive, after which the game would start.

When you try to run ANY game which uses this SafeDisc form of copy protection in Windows 10, the following happens:

 - You get an error window that tells you to log in with Administrator Privileges and to try again. This happens on any account, even those with Administrator access. The game fails to start.

 - If you then set "Run as Admin" compatibility mode on the game's startup file, the message disappears, but the game doesn't start.

 - Keeping a window open for C:\WINDOWS\SYSWOW64\DRIVERS shows SECDRV.SYS appearing at the moment you try to start the game. Based on its size, it appears to be the file that is present on the game disc (tested across several games), even though I see no disc activity and cannot find the file elsewhere on my system.

 - The Windows event log shows that SECDRV.SYS failed to load.

 - This happens both with an upgraded install (Windows 8.1 > Windows 10) and with a fresh Windows 10 install, with one of the games being installed immediately upon the fresh install completing.

 - On my Windows 64-bit 8.1 system, C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS has a folder called amd64_macrovision-protection-safedisc_31bf3856ad364e35_6.3.9600.16384_none_4e6b3758913c9240 with a SECDRV.SYS in it, presumably the one that ships with Windows. Windows 10 had such a folder in early builds, but it is missing from the release build. It appears SafeDisc support is missing entirely.

OTHER TESTING I HAVE DONE:

 - I updated one of the games to a version that no longer required the CD check, and it started immediately and ran perfectly once the check was removed. However, this is possible only with a very limited number of games, or resorting to fixes that violate the game's EULA or put the user's system security at risk.

 - I tried disabling driver signature verification and installing one of the games again; same problem.

 - Multiple compatibility modes; same problem. XP (Service Pack 3) mode and / or Run as Administrator mode make the error message go away, but the games still fail to launch.

SIGNIFICANCE:

Unless this is fixed in Windows 10, a massive catalog of older games will cease to function in Windows 10 for the simple reason that they cannot pass the SafeDisc copy protection check. I am accustomed to some games breaking with every new version of Windows as technology progresses (for example, the loss of the ability to run 16-bit programs in 64-bit Windows), but this seems to be an unnecessarily harsh change.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T15:38:45+00:00

    getting a no cd crack is a good way to get viruses and malware.

    you paid for game legally, shouldn't have to go pirating

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-01-31T09:05:34+00:00

    Everybody, listen up! I just got my Sims: Complete Collection to work on Windows 10 with no known graphical or executable issues as far as I can tell! Here is what I did:

    1. Find a no-CD crack for the game, download it (and extract, if needed), and replace the original .exe in your game folders. Note: this is only legal if you already own a legit copy of the game, or so I've been told.
    2. Set the .exe file to run in administrator mode, compatibility mode for Windows XP Service Pack 3, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, check the box that says "Run in 640 x 480 screen resolution".
    3. Run the .exe, play the game, and party like it's 2005!

    Please share this on any other forums where people are having trouble with this game, and hopefully my solution will work for y'all and we can all once again enjoy this wonderful title!

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-01-15T18:21:24+00:00

    Just wanted to say, I think this is an excellent summation of the relevant factors. I've used Windows since the public launch, skipped Vista after a trial run. Avoided 8 as it looked more set up for tablets & phones. I'm back on my 7 after trying 10, the new layout I could have lived with. But take away my classic games, and download automatically any junk they want. No way, they end support for 7, I'll use it for games and switch to Linux & FF for internet usage. They've not only broken games, but trust.

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-01-15T16:10:34+00:00

    Paul, Thank you for responding, but that doesn't really answer the question, people require this for windows 10, unlike some people on here I actually don't mind windows 10 and find it very usable,but what I do mind is being told that the £1000 pounds plus i've spent on games over the last 20 years has just been thrown down the bog creating a very expensive collection of coasters. With every iteration of windows I have bought I have been able to use those games( I only did 95,98,xp and then 7) and up until last year I was still able to play those games. I understand MS reasoning behind it but unless they offer a viable solution they will continually isolate people and breed this hatred towards there monopolistic attitude(might I suggest you get an Apple PR guy to help with this :-P ). Now back on point a lot of these publishers are no longer around to reach out to or have been swallowed by larger companies who don't acknowledge ever taking on that companies titles...Micropose...anyone. There are a large portion of society like myself who you know what don't want to play there favourite game online with millions of others, I actually like being able to play single player games Starlancer, MW series, these were not realistically online games but had that great single player campaign( I know its not a great business model but I love these old games not available anymore). Basically not being able to play them because of the loop whole DRM and SecDRV present to your system wasn't my problem until you have now made it my problem by denying me something I have bought at the counter, and before you reply with try admin rights and compatability mode - lets be honest there about as much use as a chocolate fireguard purely because of this drm secdrv business.. Thanks for your time and I look forward to your response( I shall not be holding my breath though) and I would like to offer you a challenge-provide a fix for windows 10 users-**** even sell it because you could guarantee one customer...me

    Here, here.

    I could not have put it better, without resorting to vulgarity.

    Whilst I may not have spent quite as much as you appear to have, nevertheless I am very annoyed that the add-ons in particular for what was a Microsoft product - Microsoft Flight Simulator X (Deluxe Version) cannot be loaded onto my new PC which I have had to invest in following the failure of my old machine.

    Please, please Microsoft let us have a fix for the SecDRV issue.

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-01-15T14:53:53+00:00

    Paul,

    Thank you for responding, but that doesn't really answer the question, people require this for windows 10, unlike some people on here I actually don't mind windows 10 and find it very usable,but what I do mind is being told that the £1000 pounds plus i've spent on games over the last 20 years has just been thrown down the bog creating a very expensive collection of coasters. With every iteration of windows I have bought I have been able to use those games( I only did 95,98,xp and then 7) and up until last year I was still able to play those games. I understand MS reasoning behind it but unless they offer a viable solution they will continually isolate people and breed this hatred towards there monopolistic attitude(might I suggest you get an Apple PR guy to help with this :-P ).

    Now back on point a lot of these publishers are no longer around to reach out to or have been swallowed by larger companies who don't acknowledge ever taking on that companies titles...Micropose...anyone. There are a large portion of society like myself who you know what don't want to play there favourite game online with millions of others, I actually like being able to play single player games Starlancer, MW series, these were not realistically online games but had that great single player campaign( I know its not a great business model but I love these old games not available anymore).

    Basically not being able to play them because of the loop whole DRM and SecDRV present to your system wasn't my problem until you have now made it my problem by denying me something I have bought at the counter, and before you reply with try admin rights and compatability mode - lets be honest there about as much use as a chocolate fireguard purely because of this drm secdrv business..

    Thanks for your time and I look forward to your response( I shall not be holding my breath though) and I would like to offer you a challenge-provide a fix for windows 10 users-**** even sell it because you could guarantee one customer...me

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