11/23/20 – Strange USB Boot problem that I’m thinking is Windows oriented

Anonymous
2020-11-23T22:22:39+00:00

Something I’ve always done over the years is run weekly 100% mirror image bootable backup clones of the C-drive in my ThinkPad laptops…using spare USB cable connected SSD hard drives.  [ connect the drive, run ‘Acronis True Image’ cloning software that I use, done ]

From time to time I’d boot the laptop from a USB backup drive, always worked perfectly…but mostly I’d just make the weekly backups for peace of mind in case the C-drive should ever fail.

But discovered a pesky little problem as I’ve been setting up a new ThinkPad P52 to replace my older P51.  After I finished setting up the new P52 C-drive, I cloned it to a USB attached hard drive like I’ve done on the P51 a couple hundred times…and then just to be sure it worked, tried to boot the P52 back from the cloned USB attached drive.

Failed…blue screen error message: “Inaccessible Boot Device”.

TROUBLE SHOOTING SUMMARY SO FAR:

The P52 ThinkPad boots up normally / works perfectly from its internal C-drive.

All USB flash drives and/or USB cabled hard drives that I plug in all operate normally.

The P52 laptop sees them all, adds them to the list of other drives in the laptop (c, d, e, f, etc.).

I can read/ write to them business as usual, click open / look at content inside normally.

My cloning software works like always because I’ve taken cloned copies and physically installed them inside the laptop as the internal C-drive and the laptop comes right up normally / works perfectly, etc.  I simply cannot BOOT FROM a USB connected clone any longer.

I’ve spent hours over a few days Internet searching, trying this, trying that, no help.

I’ve tried different SSD hard drives, different cables, different USB ports, no help.

Ran a few check-disk kinds of scans and the SSD’s are rock solid as always.

Ensured all Lenovo ThinkPad updates are downloaded and installed.

Ensured all Windows updates are downloaded and installed.

Then started trying the approach of uninstalling Windows updates one at a time but it’s very time consuming and several of the "security related Win updates" wouldn’t let me uninstall them.

So I decided to go back and ensure everything sill worked OK on the original P51, and to my surprise it fails the same way.  Been quite a while since I actually did a USB Boot on the original P51 so I assume something must have changed during the past several months and I’m thinking the Win 10 Pro software is the common denominator.

Thought I’d check here with the Brain Trust and see if anyone might know of a specific Win 10 related finding / fix for this situation…thanks a lot in advance.

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  1. Anonymous
    2020-11-25T03:59:50+00:00

    And it might be worth clarifying my previous reference to having a P51 and now this new P52...both from the same family.

    I'm using the same identical Acronis steps & process on the new P52 that I've used for years on the P51...but the P52 is giving me the "Inaccessible Boot Device" error as soon as I click/select the substitute USB Boot line item in the Boot Menu...don't get that error on the P51.

    ( and FYI, I've book-marked that Acronis link you shared, thanks )

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  2. Anonymous
    2020-11-24T23:22:28+00:00

    Thanks for the reply...don't know about that approach.

    I'm doing it exactly the way I've done it every week for several years now:

    I USB attach a clean formatted hard drive.

    Start Acronis, and click the Clone step (below) to start.

    And just follow the few recommended steps after that.

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  3. Anonymous
    2020-11-24T14:59:25+00:00

    Hi,

    I do not think this is a Windows 10 issue as my Widows 7 would not boot either..

    Most of the articles you mentioned were concerning internal drives, not USB, so how much they apply is questionable..

    I do know that there were changes made with either Windows 8 or 10 in regards to booting from flash drives under certain circumstances which I do not clearly remember.. It had to do with Windows in some fashion though... It had to do with a internal coding in the flash drives chipset and how Windows identified it..

    With the normal coding the flash drive was detected as a "Removable" drive... For a period of time some manufacturer's were producing flash drives that were coded in such  way that Windows recognized them as a "Local" drive, or something like that... Those were bootable..

    It may be that there is something like that going on in the SATA to USB chip in your enclosure\dock, but because this is happening in Windows 7 as well... at least on my machine... There may be something else going on as this change in the coding stuff didn't apply to Windows I do not think..

    I will play with this some more as it has me curious.. Are you still using the same enclosures\docks for your SSDs as before ?

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  4. Anonymous
    2020-11-24T13:50:56+00:00

    Thanks a lot for going to the trouble...I appreciate it

    My current P51 always cloned to a USB connected SSD, and afterwards would also boot from that USB connected SSD drive.

    But working with the current new P52 Thinkpad I found it would not USB boot...then going back to my P51, found that it would no longer USB boot.

    So something changed and with the large amount Internet listings about Windows software updates causing the problems...was hoping to find someone who might know that "update # 123456789" caused it for me", etc.

    I'll also now start looking to the SATA chipset situation...one of the most common Internet complaints about Windows updates is that they often cause problems due to their impact to things like drivers and the chipset situation might be one of them.

    In the interim, at least with the Acronis cloning copy continuing to work as it always has, if the C-drive should ever crash its only a few minute job to physically replace it.

    Thanks again...

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  5. Anonymous
    2020-11-24T13:31:01+00:00

    FYI...this is just one example of of Windows software changes (not Lenovo)  causing Inaccessible Boot Device errors...many more on the Internet.

    https://wintechlab.com/inaccessible-boot-device-bsod/

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