Well, I just did a complete Windows update as served up by the W10 Create Media tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
The processes took about 3 to 4 hours
However, after that all time, Windows update revealed that the original two problematic updates, plus some others others, still needed to be updated.
On the first pass, both the original problematic updates downloaded to 100%, but soon afterwards the install of KB5034441 failed and then its download, which had reported as succeeded at 100%, reported as failed.
Much later, the install of KB5036892 got stuck at 20% and would not continue. This seems to be a similar problem that others have had as well - with no solution from MS that I could find.
I rebooted, the system made a variety of updates at start-up, This took at least another hour.
When the system came back up, it started downloading yet another KB (KB50434685) and the installing of KB5034441 continued - and eventually appeared to finish.
KB50434685 finished downloading and installed.
Another 40 minutes or so.
The system prompted me to restart it, which I did.
Windows update then said KB5037036 is required, it downloaded, installed and called for another reboot.
After the reboot, Windows Updates is reporting the system is up to date!
woo-hoo!