Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!

Anonymous
2022-02-23T22:25:42+00:00

Hello,

File grouping is degrading my productivity. It is constantly getting between me and my work.

I am aware of the methods to disable file grouping within individual folders. Please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

I am also aware of the method that is supposed to disable file grouping within folders of a particular type (general, music, photos, etc.)... by setting the Explorer "Options > Apply to Folders". (As an aside, the auto-detection of folder contents often does not work and is a big headache.) Again, please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

What I need to do is prevent Windows from grouping files -- EVERYWHERE. Not just in Windows Explorer, but in application file dialogs. That is, file Open and Save dialogs. That is the absolutely last place I ever want to see grouping.

This is seriously a problem for me. My assets are organized alphabetically for a reason. When I have to right-click and choose "Group By > None" every single time I access a folder through an application dialog, it wastes my time, increases my workload, and makes me very cranky.

I know that Microsoft has added this feature because they think it is going to save effort and time for their users. That may be true in some cases, but there is no one solution to maximize productivity in all possible use cases.

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

If this is not currently possible in Windows 10, please make it possible.

Such a simple, basic option can save literally millions of hours of wasted time for a global user base.

Thank you.

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Les Ferch 10,361 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
2022-06-24T16:57:28+00:00

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

Option 1: Use WinSetView

The easiest solution is to use WinSetView. It's a free, open source, portable app that lets you choose your preferred Explorer default views, including grouping, and sets the registry values for you. It does not modify any system files and does not leave anything running (i.e. zero overhead). The settings will stick through typical Windows Updates, but will need to be reapplied after a major update.

Note: WinSetView resets all of your folder views to whatever you select as your default view preferences, which includes your grouping options. You may select one global view setting or select different views for each folder type.

Option 2: Clear saved views and "Apply to Folders"

This option uses the "Apply to Folders" button to set the user default view for the Downloads folder to Group by (None), but in order to ensure that all file open/save dialogs get the updated view, the currently saved views in the registry must be cleared out. To do that, first open RegEdit and delete the following registry keys:

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

After deleting those registry keys, set grouping to (None) in the usual way:

Windows 11:

  1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
  2. Sort menu > Group by > (None)
  3. > Options
  4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

Windows 10:

  1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
  2. View tab > Group by > (None)
  3. Options > Change folder and search options
  4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

This procedure must be applied for each folder TYPE. Typically, only the Downloads folder type is set to group by date, but if you have other folder types that are also grouped, the procedure will need to be repeated for those ones as well.

Once the above steps are complete, sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

Option 3: Modify the default in the registry

In this registry key:

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}\TopViews\{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}

Change the GroupBy value data from "System.DateModified" to "" (i.e. clear the data).

Note: The above key is protected. You will need to either change its permissions (not recommended) or access it using a tool that provides TrustedInstaller access, such as PowerRun, AdvancedRun, or RightClickTools.

If you make the above change for a new user before opening any Downloads folders, then you're done. Otherwise, you'll need to clear out the saved views using the following procedures:

Close all open apps.

Open RegEdit normally (i.e NOT as TrustedInstaller) and delete the following registry keys:

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

Run the following PowerShell script to clear views for Store apps such as the Windows 11 Notepad and MSPaint:

$Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
  Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
} 

Sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

Option 4: Per user script

Close all open apps and run the following PowerShell script for each user (please see the comments):

# This script will remove grouping from all possible views of the Downloads folder. 
# The change is applied to the current user's profile only. 
# Warning: ALL folder views (except Downloads grouping) will revert to Windows defaults! 
# This is a minimal solution. To set ALL default folder views, use the free tool WinSetView. 

$RegExe = "$env:SystemRoot\System32\Reg.exe"
$File = "$env:Temp\Temp.reg"
$Key = 'HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}'
& $RegExe Export $Key $File /y
$Data = Get-Content $File
$Data = $Data -Replace 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE', 'HKEY_CURRENT_USER'
$Data = $Data -Replace '"GroupBy"="System.DateModified"', '"GroupBy"=""'
$Data | Out-File $File
& $RegExe Import $File
$Key = 'HKCU\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell'
& $RegExe Delete "$Key\BagMRU" /f
& $RegExe Delete "$Key\Bags" /f
$Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
  Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
}
Stop-Process -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -ProcessName Explorer

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  1. Les Ferch 10,361 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2023-06-20T14:27:47+00:00

    Then I saw somewhere that it is a bug with the Download folder, which is where I was working in and having this trouble with.

    So now I have created my own Downloads folder just on the C: drive, and it has seemingly sorted the problem out, for me at least. I am at work and wasn't really meant to be using my own laptop so I have not had a proper check, but this seems to have sorted the issue!

    The Downloads folder is its own special folder type with the default view, set by Microsoft, to be grouped by Date modified. That, in itself, is not a bug. It's just a bad (IMO) design choice. This is exacerbated by the confusing design of Windows that has multiple name spaces for the same physical location, so that you have to use the (poorly named and well-hidden) "Apply to Folders" button to change all views for Downloads. And, to top it off, previously opened file open/save dialogs do not get changed by that same procedure (bug or poor design - your call there).

    Anyhow, when you create a folder such as C:\Downloads, that will be type "General items" by default (although it could change to another type, such as Pictures, depending on content). Since General items folders (or any of the other common folder type) are not grouped by default, you don't get any grouping in that new folder, as expected.

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  2. Les Ferch 10,361 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2023-06-20T14:17:36+00:00

    Grouping is such an annoying feature. Over a year later and I don't think Microsoft have fixed this yet.

    Grouping was added with Windows 7 in 2009 and, in general, is just another feature you can use or ignore. However, it was back in 2019 that Microsoft made the Downloads folder its own folder type (not a problem) and, at the same time, made the default view for Downloads to be grouped by Date modified (bad decision IMO).

    So, we're talking about an annoyance that goes back approximately four years.

    Have they even replied to this question? I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to wade through 25 pages to see.

    You'd have thought they would flag up somewhere obvious (in case it is here and I missed it) as to whether or not there is an official Microsoft response.

    This is a user to user forum. Microsoft does not make official responses here and doesn't (at least not officially) even look at the threads here. The official place to make your views known about any Windows feature is the Feedback Hub (press ⊞-F). You won't get any reply there either, but if everyone, that was annoyed by grouping being on by default for Downloads, posted a message in Feedback Hub, it might actually get changed. As you may have noted from my answer, it's a single (protected) registry setting for Microsoft to turn off grouping for the Downloads folder type. It's an easy change for Microsoft, if they could be convinced to do it.

    As far as something to be "fixed" (as opposed to a design change), there is the issue that using the File Explorer "Apply to Folders" feature to turn off grouping (for the currently selected folder type) does not have any affect on previously opened file/open save dialogs. That could be argued as a bug, but it's been that way since 2009, so it's unlikely to change.

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  3. Anonymous
    2023-06-20T13:12:05+00:00

    Agreed, it is worthless!!

    I have realised something that has helped today though, which may have been mentioned here somewhere already, I forget what I have read and where about this!!

    So I was getting exasperated about seemingly changing the setting and attempting to apply it to all folders, but I was sure it was reverting back to grouping files. I thought I was going crazy.

    Then I saw somewhere that it is a bug with the Download folder, which is where I was working in and having this trouble with.

    So now I have created my own Downloads folder just on the C: drive, and it has seemingly sorted the problem out, for me at least. I am at work and wasn't really meant to be using my own laptop so I have not had a proper check, but this seems to have sorted the issue!

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  4. Anonymous
    2023-06-20T12:41:40+00:00

    Grouping is such an annoying feature. Over a year later and I don't think Microsoft have fixed this yet.

    Third parties seem so much better at providing support and solutions than Microsoft themselves.

    Have they even replied to this question? I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to wade through 25 pages to see.

    You'd have thought they would flag up somewhere obvious (in case it is here and I missed it) as to whether or not there is an official Microsoft response.

    Grouping is a worthless feature, not just annoying! I have not seen a fix.

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