Windows 7 Update Problems? Read this first.

Anonymous
2016-07-29T13:38:24+00:00

There are now two discussions for Windows Update problems.

This original one which still works fine and a new Advanced Users Discussion.

The Advanced Users Discussion may be more appealing to users that are comfortable maneuvering around some more advanced areas of Windows, those already familiar with downloading and installing Windows updates or have an aversion to using Internet Explorer.  No fancy words or screen shots for those users that don't need them:

Click here for the Advanced Users Discussion

Keep reading for the original discussion about Windows Update problems.

The original method of downloading the two Microsoft updates has gotten unreliable and pushed down to the bottom of this page separated by a row of @@@@@ signs.

The new method involves downloading some updates from the Microsoft Update Catalog and seems more reliable but you must use Internet Explorer to download the updates.  If you visit the Microsoft Update Catalog with another browser these downloads will not work.

Here is what we have so far for the process using Internet Explorer to get the downloads needed:

You may have better luck using the Microsoft Update Catalog but that will require using Internet Explorer.

If IE is not your default browser you can't just click on and open these links or your default browser will open and you won't be able to get the Update Catalog to work.

These are not things to "try".  These are things to "do".

Do this:

Open Control Panel and change the View to Small icons so you can see things easier (some folks are shocked when they see all the stuff on this screen!):

Choose Windows Update, Change Settings and make a note of the current setting because you need to change them.

Make these adjustments and click OK to save the changes:

Restart your system for the changes to take effect. 

That adjustment will immediately stop any kind of background update activity that might be stuck (causing your system to run slow) and allow you to manually download two other updates you need to fix the other Windows Update issues.

To access the Microsoft Update Catalog you must use Internet Explorer.

Open Internet Explorer and copy and paste this URL into the address bar:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/home.aspx

When using the Update Catalog you can search for the updates and then add them to your "basket" and then when the two updates are in your basket you can download the contents of your basket (two updates) to your desktop or someplace you can find them and then install them.

The first update to search for is KB3020369:

Click the Add button to add the appropriate update (32 or 64 bit) to your basket and you will see that your basket now has one item:

Then search for the second update KB3172605:

Click the Add button to add the appropriate update (32 or 64 bit) to your basket and you will see that your basket now has two items:

Now you are ready to download the contents of your basket which should have 2 items in it:

Click view basket:

Then click the Download button:

Then choose the location folder for the downloads (your desktop or someplace you can find them):

Click OK to start the download process and wait for the two updates to download.

Locate and double click the package for KB3020369 to launch the installer and let it complete. 

If the update is already installed you will see this (not a problem):

Restart your system so the update will take effect.

Locate and double click the package for KB3172605 to launch the installer and let it complete. 

Restart your system, the go back to Control Panel, Windows Update and choose to Check for Updates:

Wait patiently...  The Microsoft servers are also very busy after Patch Tuesday (the second Tuesday of every month) and several days after that as millions of systems around the world are being updated.

When your system is fully updated you can delete the files you downloaded.

Many experienced troubleshooters and technicians suggest leaving the Windows update settings the way they are now - to never check for any updates:

That doesn't mean you will never get updates or cannot get updates - it means instead of Microsoft deciding what updates get applied to your system, you are in control of the update process and you can decide when to check for updates, review the updates and you can decide which updates you want or need to apply to your system.

Being able to review the updates before installing them will allow you to hide any updates you don't want such as hardware driver updates (video, audio, network).  Microsoft does not know what the best hardware drivers are for your system and will often send driver updates that will cause your system to malfunction or not work at all.

Since you are now in control of Windows Updates you will have to check periodically for updates yourself but that is really the best way to be sure you don't get some updates that will cause your system to malfunction.

Microsoft issues a batch of updates the second Tuesday of every month (Patch Tuesday) so you should at least check once a month for updates.  Of course now that Windows Update is behaving you can check as often as you want.

If you don't like the idea of being in control of your system updates you can set the settings back to the way they were in the beginning.

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Old Instructions

I hope to pull what I think are the best ideas and procedures to address Windows Update issues (not working, hung up, taking too long, nothing happens, etc., etc., etc.).

Taking input from several sources and putting it all in one place with enough illustrations to be easy to understand and will work for new/fresh/reinstalls of Windows 7 and also work for already installed systems.

Please take a look at it and reply to the discussion with any changes and I can just change the top part.

Then when we see a "Windows Update isn't working, taking too long, broken, nothing happens, etc." we can refer to the discussion and it that doesn't work we can adjust the discussion so it does work.  Then everything is in one place and we will all deliver a consistent message that will hopefully work for everybody.

These are not things to "try".  These are things to "do".

Do this:

Open Control Panel and change the View to Small icons so you can see things easier (some folks are shocked when they see all the stuff on this screen!):

Choose Windows Update, Change Settings and make a note of the current setting because you need to change them.

Make these adjustments and click OK to save the changes:

Restart your system for the changes to take effect. 

That adjustment will immediately stop any kind of background update activity that might be stuck (causing your system to run slow) and allow you to manually download two other updates you need to fix the other Windows Update issues.

If your installation is new or a reinstall you need to start by installing KB3020369:

April 2015 servicing stack update for Windows 7

If you already have KB3020369 installed you won't be able to install it twice so go ahead and visit this link to be sure:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3020369

If your system is 32-bit download the x86 package.

If your system is 64-bit download the x64 package.

Choose to download the correct package for your system and save the file to someplace you can find it - like your desktop.

Double click the package you downloaded to launch the installer and let it complete. 

If the update is already installed you will see this (not a problem):

Restart your system so the update will take effect.

Next visit this link and choose to install KB3172605:

July 2016 update rollup for Windows 7

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3172605

If your system is 32-bit download the x86 package.

If your system is 64-bit download the x64 package.

Choose to download the correct package for your system and save the file to someplace you can find it - like your desktop.

Double click the package you downloaded to launch the installer and let it complete.

Restart your system, the go back to Control Panel, Windows Update and choose to Check for Updates:

Wait patiently...  Remember that these are the last hours to get the Windows 10 upgrade for free so the Microsoft servers are probably taking a pounding.  The Microsoft servers are also very busy on Patch Tuesday (the second Tuesday of every month) and several days after that as millions of systems around the world are being updated.

When your system is fully updated you can delete the files you downloaded.

Many experienced troubleshooters and technicians suggest leaving the Windows update settings the way they are now - to never check for any updates:

That doesn't mean you will never get updates or cannot get updates - it means instead of Microsoft deciding what updates get applied to your system, you are in control of the update process and you can decide when to check for updates, review the updates and you can decide which updates you want or need to apply to your system.

Being able to review the updates before installing them will allow you to hide any updates you don't want such as hardware driver updates (video, audio, network).  Microsoft does not know what the best hardware drivers are for your system and will often send driver updates that will cause your system to malfunction or not work at all.

Since you are now in control of Windows Updates you will have to check periodically for updates yourself but that is really the best way to be sure you don't get some updates that will cause your system to malfunction.

Microsoft issues a batch of updates the second Tuesday of every month (Patch Tuesday) so you should at least check once a month for updates.  Of course now that Windows Update is behaving you can check as often as you want.

If you don't like the idea of being in control of your system updates you can set the settings back to the way they were in the beginning.

Reply to this discussion if there are things missing or ideas how to make it easier to follow understand.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-08-19T12:43:18+00:00

    The links to the KB pages for those downloads (in the TechNet blog) are increasingly unreliable and ever time I see somebody post them I want to puke because I know it is not going to work and there will be another reply of "it doesn't work" (then you have to figure out what doesn't work means).  They don't work right now:

    Either post the link right to the .MSU installer package or the Update Catalog - I have never seen either of those not work.

    Did you guys notice:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-update/windows-7-update-solution-for-advanced-users/bd5922d5-aa9f-4f3a-bf74-093680321285?tm=1471587811523

    And some adjustments in the top pages so hopefully folks will chose the path where they feel most confident.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-08-19T12:28:11+00:00

    I believe there is already a wiki for a current install process

    Although I can not remember who made it off hand

    KB3020369 & KB3172605 & KB3125574 from the catalog

    https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-updates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/

    I'm sure eventually all this will be superseded soon enough so a wiki for how to do stuff is up to whom ever wants to do it

    KB3172605 is already getting old as KB3179573 is it's newer brother possibly time will tell :)

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22801/windows-7-and-windows-server-2008-r2-update-history

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-08-19T08:21:47+00:00

    Reposting revised response to my original response (ignore the original) to your publishing questions as it was probably too early then while you were juggling too many balls and focused more on design.  No response to me needed - this is just FYI/FWIW for you (or "the four of you").

    Can we make this a sticky and/or a wiki for a while since every day there are new posts about windows update doesn't work, windows update takes too long, windows update blah blah blah.

    If I were you and you want anything more than a typical normal thread, I'd make whatever request you decide on this in the active weekly Mod Thread (Moderation requests - Week of August 15, 2016 at this moment).  Expect it to take time no matter how simple it may seem.

    It'll take too long for you to become a Wiki Author.  While a Wiki would probably be closer to giving you the control you mention in the following paragraph (those who could make changes would naturally be quite limited and you could set it up to be locked and thus still further limited (but that may impact the ability to get edit requests or comments on the Wiki - I've been away from them too long to recall all the details.  Even unlocked, authorized Wiki Authors tend to respect an implied ownership by the original author). 

    IMO it's too "hidden" on its own.  It needs upfront "publicity" at least until it gets enough traction from referrals to it by most prolific responders to be well known and even intuitive (and come up in the Search Engines) - like Steve's Wiki article on MSE in V&M (Microsoft Security Essentials Consolidated FAQ).  I'd assume the Wiki, if done, would have no established end date (though you could lock it any time you wanted {recognizing and threads referencing it would continue to exist so completely pulling it might cause problems with bad links in every thread referencing it ... and if successful, you'd have no real hope of fixing that later}.  A sticky would - but the thread would still remain even if it wasn't at the top of the forum any longer. 

    It seems to me you're looking for high visibility and so a sticky would probably be the way to go - but there's a lot of "red tape" getting that approved and done.  You might want to consider a locked sticky posted by a Forum Owner to get more attention - and an FO would need to be involved in the sticky and AFAIK in terms of locking as well - that "marketed" and provided a link to a Wiki.

    One possible way past the Wiki Author problem if you include the Wiki aspect would be for you to write it as close as possible (given that Wikis need to follow formatting rules - check out others to see and make your draft as close as possible if you want to help convince someone to do what follows) and then find an approved Wiki Author to publish it for you ASAP until you can become a WA yourself (if/once approved) and take over ownership.  Know anyone who'll do that?  See http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/feedback/wiki/fdbk_wikiauthor/wiki-author-list-windows/d1607939-af3e-4c55-afa1-aad0759fa927 for the most current list (outdated a bit, but should give you ideas in addition to just looking at the published Wikis where you'd want someone to publish it).  Keep in mind that you'd be dependent on that or another Wiki Author to make ongoing changes and even advise you of edit suggestions - so you'd not have quick change control until/unless you became a WA there yourself or got the WA to agree in advance to react within timeframes acceptable to you.  

    Can it be fixed so only I can make changes to the main topic?

    The Wiki is discussed above.  As far as the sticky goes, if you post it yourself it's be as much "in your control" as the OP is to the OP of any other thread - "sticky" except TPTB will be watching closely.  If posted by an FO (or anyone else), then you won't be able to change it at all (just as you can't edit the OP of any other thread where you aren't the OP) without posting the request in the Mod Thread every time.  If it's locked, you won't be able to change it unless/until the FO removed the lock (and then presumably replaced it.  My guess is that you'd not want it locked given FO response times to such things.

    If this is a good start maybe folks will read the sticky first (must have a catchy title).

    Agreed.  But also see the other aspects of marketing, publicity, and politics noted above.

    Then I'm going to add some stuff about setting WU to auto and why that might not be a good idea and that could prevent some the "Windows Update broke my system" topics that come up after every Patch Tuesday.

    Please excuse my igorance of what you've done and not done.  I've not paid much attention, so if I mention something clearly defined or discussed or covered earlier, please forgive me and just ignore it.  This is just off the top of my head since it was asked/mentioned back then.

    I'm a bit behind on update/upgrade releases, but I thought security and non-security were on different dates (but I really could be wrong on that - just check to be sure things match {especially if the updates to the clients are controlled by domain servers

    • WSUS and such where control through Group Policy may even cause differences on a company-specific basis depending on the Adminstrator - though that distinction may not be as relevant in MC but more in the TN/MSDN world}. 

    Are you covering W7 Enterprise versions as well as the consumer versions - that could make a difference?  Have you considered changes to other products through MU - like the various Office types  and/or those often needed at the same time - Adobe, Java, Browsers, who knows what ... and/or considered addressing those or any other limits to the scope of your article?

    Are any of you plugged into the patch management list that covers a lot of how this works and problems as they occur or are noticed?  Might not hurt as that info is typically way ahead of anything published - sometimes even the basis for it (though it does focus mostly on domain based situatios - but is not exclusively limited to them.  Again, FYI and FWIW.

    Best wishes,

    Kosh

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-08-19T06:14:44+00:00

    Nothing more formal that I have ever seen.

    The contributors to this/that write up are community volunteers (not Microsoft folks).

    I just pulled together consistent ideas and advice from others and added some words and screen shots so everything is all in one place.

    If you have some ideas about how to make it better or easier to understand I can entertain them.

    Curiously, I have never even had a problem with Windows Update - but my system is afraid of me.

    Two days trying things and 20 minutes doing things.  Do or do not.  There is no try.

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-08-19T04:07:23+00:00

    A question for ElderN: Is there a more formal writeup of this solution than the one at the top of this thread? I'd love to be pointed to it.

    Regards,

    Al in Vegas

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