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I am trying for the first time to boot my Windows 8.1 laptop from the internal CD-DVD drive. I have a bootable CD in there, and yes, I do have the bios set with CDROM drive as first in the list to boot from. But when I try to boot from the CD, it won't boot, instead the computer gives me this message:
"ATAPI CDROM has been blocked by the current security policy."
(Its actually a DVD drive.) All it lets me do at that message is hit the Enter key to OK the message, and then it boots from the hard drive.
I have no idea where "security policy" settings are or what they are set for. What do I have to do to get this to boot?
This is a Gateway laptop, 2.2 MHz Intel Pentium processor, 4 GB RAM, 64 bit OS, with Windows 8.1 fully updated, and Windows Defender running and fully updated.
I have already looked everywhere I can find, but nothing seems to address this message or issue, as follows:
*I went to Help menu to look up "Security Policy." While the computer is giving me the message about "security policy," the Help menu has no idea what "security policy" is, it just comes up blank!
*I went to Control Panels/System and Security/Action Center/Change Windows Settings/Smart Screen/... All I found in there that might be involved is a setting to block anything downloaded from the Internet until I give administrator access. Well, the booting issue didn't allow me to give administrator access (yes, I am the administrator) when I tried to boot, I only could hit the enter key to OK. Nonetheless, I changed to: notify me but proceed (not a quote).
With that, I tried again, but it still would not boot from the CD, got the same message, so that setting is not it. I changed the setting back.
I see no other setting there that could be related by even a stretch. And the control panels should be dealing with the OS anyway, and this is happening while trying to boot from the OS on the CD, not the hard drive. That is, this is something in the root.
*I then went into bios area (UEFI Firmware) by sweeping in from the right and into Settings/Change PC settings ..., and found a tab in bios for Security. Looking there, there is a list of things, but it lets me access only "Supervisor Password." It was currently set as "clear," meaning no password. I left it as that -- surely I can't need a password just to boot from a CD, and the message I got in trying to boot from the CD did not allow me to enter a password.
Other settings in the Security tab were not accessible. The only ones they included that might be remotely related were:
*Password on Boot, which was set as no password. But again, the message I get with this issue does not ask for nor allow me to enter a password.
*Secure Boot Mode: Standard (It does not let me access to change that.)
Some others also were in the list that are not worth listing, not even vaguely related.
I then went into some other things elsewhere in the main settings called Startup Settings. The only thing in there that sounded the least bit vaguely related was "Enable boot logging." I punched F2 to go into that, but the machine instead restarted, and did not start from the CDROM, same message again. I went back to it, and it is still listed as Enable boot logging, does not instead say Disable - so I don't know if anything even got changed. I did not touch it again, left it as-is.
So, that's it. I've checked all the settings I know about. Nothing about this bit about "ATAPI CDROM has been blocked by current security policy."
I tested with two DVDs that I have booted from in the past on other Windows machines -- they also would not boot, but they did not give me that message.
I note, all three CDs/DVDs are being read fine by the DVD drive once the machine is booted in Windows 8.1 from the hard drive - so the issue is not that the DVD drive can't read the disks.
Where is this "security policy" set?! What do I need to do to get this to boot from the CD?
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Hi,
So everything is back to normal... or at least working to your satisfaction ?
You seem to know more about manipulating your email than I do, but though I may be able to help by describing what my screen looks like !
I know how that kind of conversation goes... Not so much with Microsoft, but with my internet provider sometimes..
I'm answering below in capital letters:
In a way, Acronis does in fact say how much space it needs...
In particular, the area where you select compression... It specifically states it's estimated image size for each compression level... The estimates it makes on my machine are actually too high... Acronis claimed 28GB, and the finished image was only 20GB...
YES, I KNOW, I GAVE YOU THE NUMBERS ACRONIS SAID THE IMAGE WILL BE -- ABOUT 83 GB AT NORMAL COMPRESSION, AND ABOUT 72 GB AT MAXIMUM COMPRESSION - THIS ON SPACE THAT HAS 99+ GB EMPTY
Are you selecting "Sector by Sector" by chance ?... Don't...
NO, I MEANT TO MENTION THAT, I USED THE OTHER WAY, FULL OR WHATEVER ITS CALLED, SECTOR BY SECTOR IS SLOWER AND IS NOT HOW I DID THE 8.1 IMAGE. WHATEVER ITS CALLED, I DID NOT DO SECTOR BY SECTOR.
I did some checking on image size differences between Used Space, Windows Image, and Acronis Image...
Here's an example... you can calculate the percentages for your machine if you wish, but I think my numbers make things obvious...
I have a 128GB SSD with 53GB of Used Space as determined by the Windows Image feature and C:\ Properties...
Windows claims it will need UP TO 54GB to create an Image...
The actual image is 33GB...
This is because I have two System Files on C:\ that are empty when doing a restart, and are used as needed by Windows when running... PageFile and HiberFil...
On my machine they always take up 12.5GB each... even though they may be empty...
These files were basically empty when the image was made, so it ended up being 20GB smaller than the estimate...
OK, SO YOU;RE SAYING IT MIGHT BE WROTH TRYING TO DO THE IMAGE FROM THE OS BECAUSE EIT MIGHT BE WELL SMALLER THAN THE 126 GB IT SAYS IT MIGHT NEED -- IT MGHT NEED AS MUCH AS THAT, BUT MIGHT NEED SUBSTANTIALLY LESS. THAT IS THE SIZE OF ALL THE FILES, SO IT WON'T NEED MORE THAN THAT. BAD COMMUNICATION BY THEM. OK, I CAN GIVE IT A TEST RUN. IN FACT, MAYBE I'LL GO START THAT NOW. WELL, ANOTHER THING I DO'T LIEK ABOTU THAT IS IT WILL IMAGE EOINLY THE THREE PARTITIONS, EFI, PRIMARY, AND THE 15 GB RECOVERY. THE OTHER THREE ARE LEFT BEHIND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM. THE OS DOES NOT PROVIDE OPTIONS IN SETTINGS TO PICK WHICH PARTITIONS NOR COMPRESSION LEVEL OR ANYTHING. I DO WANT A BACKUP THAT INCLUDES ALL THE GATEWAY STUFF. IT ALSO DOESN'T LET ME PUT IT ON THE DRIVE WHERE I WANT IT, DOESN'T EVEN TELL ME WHERE IT IS PUTTING IT. HMM, DOESN'T EVEN SAY WHETHER I WILL BE ABLE TO ADD TO IT LATER ORNOT -- NO SETTING FOR THAT. MAYBE I COULD ADD THE OTHER PARTITIONS WIHT ACRONIS -- BUT THAT IS MIXING APPLICATIONS FOR A SINGLE IMAGE?
EDIT: I JUST RAN WHILE WRITING THESE ANSWERS. THE OS STOPPED IT AND SAID IT NEEDED MORE SPACE, NO CLUE HOW MUCH SPACE IT WANTS OR THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE IMAGE IT WAS GOING TO MAKE.
Then there is the Acronis Image that was made with all default settings... I never touched anything concerning Options... It is 20GB with Normal Compression by Default.
Then I did a Acronis Image with Maximum Compression... It is 18.8GB....
This didn't accomplish much...
The Acronis Images are compressed, but the majority of the size reduction is the 25GB from the empty system folders... The Image would be 28GB with no compression at all... Then 18.8GB with Maximum Compression.. 67%...
If you take your 124GB and subtract the same 25GB... although your's will be a different number... maybe even larger... You end up with about 99GB which should compress to around 66GB... Then add in your other partitions...
RE: External drive... I didn't mention deleting everything and expanding #3 in both directions because of the Hidden 128MB partition...
I don't think there is anything wrong with the #3 partition that wouldn't be corrected by deleting #4 and #5... And I mean DELETE... not just slide the bar over...
OK, I'M NOT SURE THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ANY OF THEM. HOWEVER, IF THERE IS, ALL THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED SO FAR IS #3, AND BY THE END OF 4, IT SAID THE IMAGE NEEDED MORE SPACE. THAT SUGGESTS THAT PROBLEM PARTITION IS #3, SINCE THE SPACE ISSUE AROSE BEFORE ACRONIS EVER DEALT WITH #5 -- AND THUS, THERE APPEARS TO BE AN ISSUE REGARDLESS OF #5. I WILL ALSO SAY, I DON'T SEE WHY #4 WOULD BE AN ISSUE, ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED TO BE UNNECESSARY. BUT IT IS SO SMALL, I'D RATHER KEEP IT WITH ANY GATEWAY STUFF THAT MIGHT BE ON IT. AND OF THE THREE PARTITIONS THE OS THINKS SHOUD BE TAKEN, IT TAKES #5, SO SEEMS TO THINK THAT SHOULD BE KEPT.
WELL, PERHAPS WE NOW ARE TALKING OF JUST RETAINING THE PRIMARY PARTITION AND EXPANDING IT, AND YOU THINK EXPANDING IT INTO #2 IS A PROBLEM? AT THIS POINT, THE DISK IS BEING LOOKED AT AS MERE STORAGE, NOT BOOTABLE. WE ARE TALKING OF CLEARING OUT ALL THE MIGRATED FILES FROM THE PRIMARY PARTITION AND EXPANDING IT TO THE SIZE OF THE DISK. I DON'T SEE WHY #2 WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR THAT. AT ANY RATE, ACRONIS WILL ALLOW ME TO LAP OVER IT AND TAKEN #1 INTO #3, LEAVING #2. #2 IS ONLY 130 MB OR SO, NOT IMPORTANT FOR SPACE JUST AN IRRITANT TO HAVE AROUND UNNECESSARILY. AND WE ALREADY KNOW TWO PARTITIONS ON THE EXTERNAL IDE BRINGS CERTAIN PROBLEMS OF ACCESS ITSELF -- I CAN'T MAKE AN IMAGE TO A SECOND PARTITION, THERE ARE ISSUES ABOUT A SECOND PARTITION.
BTW... Where are you getting the idea you have all of this available space on #3....
C:\ on the Internal is 124GB used (approx.)...
Half of your 268GB on the #3 is gone right there... 268-124 (approx.)
You said the Win 8.1 image was something like 88GB...
That leaves 56GB... How do you expect to get 75GB on there...
Even if you were successful in obtaining another 15GB from #5, it is still not enough...
TO CLARIFY FOR YOU, FIRST, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE FILLED ON THE PRIMARY PARTITION INCLUDES THE WIN 8.1 IMAGE ON IT. SO, THAT ABOUT 88 GB IS ALREADY INCLUDED, IS NOT SOMETHING TO SUBTRACT AS YOU DID.
SECOND, NOT SURE WHERE THE 268 GB NUMBER CAME FROM, I MIGHT HAVE GIVEN IT. BUT IN LOOKING NOW, THE OS SAYS THAT PARTITION IS 280.38 GB, WITH 99.5 GB EMPTY, 180 GB USED.(THE FULL DISK IS 297.97 GB.)
SO, YOU MISCALCULATED BY SUBTRACTING THE SIZE OF THE WIN 8.1 IMAGE, AND PERHAPS I GAVE A WRONG, LOW NUMBER PREVIOUSLY FOR THE SIZE OF THE PARTITION, MUST HAVE BEEN FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
AGAIN:
PARTITION 1 = 637 MB
#2 =- 300 MB
#3 = 280.38 GB
#4 = 886 MB
#5 = 15.80 GB
AND THE INVISIBLE PARTITION, WHICH IF I RECALL IS SOMETHING LIEK 128 MB OR 150 MB.
If you were to delete #4 and #5 it might just make it... that would be approximately 90GB of useable space without losing any of your migrated #1, #2, or #3... which are by far the most important...
WELL, YOUR COMMENT IS FROM YOIUR ARITHMETIC ABOVE, AND I ALREADY EXPLAINED THE MISTAKE THERE. WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH SPACE IT WANTS. EVERYTHING I DO COULD MAKE IT SO IT JUST MAKES IT. IT ALREADY MAKES IT, AT MAXIMUM COMPRESSION IT IS ONLY 72 GB, TO PUT ON 99.5 GB OF SPACE! ANYTHING SUBTRACTED MIGHT MAKE IT -- UNELSS WE ACTUALLY KNEW HOW MUCH SPACE IT WANTED.
Hi,
In a way, Acronis does in fact say how much space it needs...
In particular, the area where you select compression... It specifically states it's estimated image size for each compression level... The estimates it makes on my machine are actually too high... Acronis claimed 28GB, and the finished image was only 20GB...
Are you selecting "Sector by Sector" by chance ?... Don't...
I did some checking on image size differences between Used Space, Windows Image, and Acronis Image...
Here's an example... you can calculate the percentages for your machine if you wish, but I think my numbers make things obvious...
I have a 128GB SSD with 53GB of Used Space as determined by the Windows Image feature and C:\ Properties...
Windows claims it will need UP TO 54GB to create an Image...
The actual image is 33GB...
This is because I have two System Files on C:\ that are empty when doing a restart, and are used as needed by Windows when running... PageFile and HiberFil...
On my machine they always take up 12.5GB each... even though they may be empty...
These files were basically empty when the image was made, so it ended up being 20GB smaller than the estimate...
Then there is the Acronis Image that was made with all default settings... I never touched anything concerning Options... It is 20GB with Normal Compression by Default.
Then I did a Acronis Image with Maximum Compression... It is 18.8GB....
This didn't accomplish much...
The Acronis Images are compressed, but the majority of the size reduction is the 25GB from the empty system folders... The Image would be 28GB with no compression at all... Then 18.8GB with Maximum Compression.. 67%...
If you take your 124GB and subtract the same 25GB... although your's will be a different number... maybe even larger... You end up with about 99GB which should compress to around 66GB... Then add in your other partitions...
RE: External drive... I didn't mention deleting everything and expanding #3 in both directions because of the Hidden 128MB partition...
I don't think there is anything wrong with the #3 partition that wouldn't be corrected by deleting #4 and #5... And I mean DELETE... not just slide the bar over...
BTW... Where are you getting the idea you have all of this available space on #3....
C:\ on the Internal is 124GB used (approx.)...
Half of your 268GB on the #3 is gone right there... 268-124 (approx.)
You said the Win 8.1 image was something like 88GB...
That leaves 56GB... How do you expect to get 75GB on there...
Even if you were successful in obtaining another 15GB from #5, it is still not enough...
If you were to delete #4 and #5 it might just make it... that would be approximately 90GB of useable space without losing any of your migrated #1, #2, or #3... which are by far the most important...
EDIT... I would trust Norton Utilities for some of my stuff, but I haven't used any of them in a number of years... Norton became part of Symantec and some of the product naming was changed... I think I have actually seen Norton Utilities being sold again though...
The name of the actual Defragmenter was Speed Disk.. I still have it around here somewhere... The antivirus stuff is long expired, but the included utilities are not...
OK, will look into that tomorrow. Can't absorb anything more today.
BTW, I only looked at defragmenting because that is all Windows offered. The Mac stuff I spoke of does a lot more. It fixes files and plenty of techy stuff, fixes the drive's catalog tree, etc. I don't know what else, too techy for me to know, but other too I believe. In fact, in TechTool Pro, defragmenting is a completely different tool in it. I was thinking a tool like those might fix any issue that might (or might not) be going on with the partition.
I believe Norton Utilities once was a name for doing defragmentation, and don't know, maybe do more. Not sure about its reputation any more.
We could make a lot better guesses about things if Acronis simply told us how much space it needed -- that info would be very telling.
No point in saving any of the migrated files if I eliminate much out of the primary partition -- that primary partition is the main thing I need saved, the rest is just the OS that could be reinstalled clean if I needed it. Without the stuff on the primary partition, I might as well install clean.
So, if I have to get rid of that, should get rid of all the partitions except that one, and expand that one to the size of the drive. Saving only the 8.1 Image on it. I then would add the Win 10 image to that.
But the problem now is: We would be saving the very partition that might have something wrong that is confusing Acronis. It would still potentially be confusing Acronis -- but I will have lost everything in the meantime. We have been thinking that the change of size has left Acronis misreading it, not that there really is not enough space. We know there actually is way more space than needed -- than needed for the final image, but maybe not enough for Acronis to do its work.
I am between two computers -- never mind more stories about why. Difficult to be back and forth with info, especially since my one pad of notes seems to have disappeared.
But the internal C drive is:
USED: 134,025,891,840 bytes, or 124 GB. (Isn't that a mis-conversion to GB they give?!)
Free: 323 GB (never mind in bytes, some possible mis-conversion)
TOTAL on drive: 448 GB.
So, 124 GB is all of it uncompressed, same as the image size the OS said it would make. (I don't know why to go with an Image instead of migrated files you can access, if the size is going to be the same!) Acronis compresses it, and that is why to use it to make an Image. The free space on the primary partition of the external drive, which is where I am trying to put the image, is 99.5 GB. The smallest files I tried putting on the 99 GB of space is 71 GB - and Acronis said it is too much, but it obviously is not.
I note, when Acronis does this, it spends an hour or two hour or whatever going through all the partition to make an Image. Then it craps out just before starting the last partition of 15 GB. But, it has not put any partial image on the partition. Ther e is nothing for me to kill out before I try again.
If it is not having a partial image on the partition as it goes, then it has to be using the drive to store what it is doing until it makes it into a partition, a it can't store that on the DVD. I suspect that is the issue. It IS using space on the drive while it is working. I don't think the partition is damaged, I think Acronis is using it in the background until it makes the image on the drive as the final step, and that temporary stuff is deleted or just disappears.
I'm quite burned out on this. I will have to read what you said again tomorrow, because I went through it and in the end found nothing. I'm sure there is something there. One thing that confused, you said no third party software to use on internal, then said to use third party software. I'm not using it on internal now anyway, that would be for the external to fix a partition in case a partition is causing a misreading. I don't think there is a misreading, I think Acronis is using some of the space during it work, but running a fix might surprise me. It would be nice if they would let us know how much space is needed so we could see about accommodating that.
It old you the amount of space the OSD said would be emptied if I ran Disk Cleaning, but it was only MB size, not tens of GB. So those files must be gone, one way or another. But now I see why you asked, because those files could be used potentially. I originally thought you were saying that to make the image smaller still.
Too much to read. :(
Im not doing anymore eon it today. Possibly tomorrow after thinking on things.l Maybe not for a few days, depending. So go way the Daytona or whatever, I don't need fast responses today. Thanks for even in thinking you should jump n it -- you're the one great thing in all this **** for months and month,.Gee, I thought I was all past that, just had to make the image, had plenty enough space for it. Like I have said all along, it is every last inch a road block.
