SECDRV.SYS Not Loading in Windows 10; this will break thousands of older games.

Anonymous
2015-08-01T20:13:40+00:00

Hello,

I have discovered an unfortunate problem with Windows 10.

Many games from the early-mid 2000's used Macrovision's SafeDisc (version 2) as a means of copy protection. At game startup, Windows loaded SECDRV.SYS to verify an original game disc was in the drive, after which the game would start.

When you try to run ANY game which uses this SafeDisc form of copy protection in Windows 10, the following happens:

 - You get an error window that tells you to log in with Administrator Privileges and to try again. This happens on any account, even those with Administrator access. The game fails to start.

 - If you then set "Run as Admin" compatibility mode on the game's startup file, the message disappears, but the game doesn't start.

 - Keeping a window open for C:\WINDOWS\SYSWOW64\DRIVERS shows SECDRV.SYS appearing at the moment you try to start the game. Based on its size, it appears to be the file that is present on the game disc (tested across several games), even though I see no disc activity and cannot find the file elsewhere on my system.

 - The Windows event log shows that SECDRV.SYS failed to load.

 - This happens both with an upgraded install (Windows 8.1 > Windows 10) and with a fresh Windows 10 install, with one of the games being installed immediately upon the fresh install completing.

 - On my Windows 64-bit 8.1 system, C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS has a folder called amd64_macrovision-protection-safedisc_31bf3856ad364e35_6.3.9600.16384_none_4e6b3758913c9240 with a SECDRV.SYS in it, presumably the one that ships with Windows. Windows 10 had such a folder in early builds, but it is missing from the release build. It appears SafeDisc support is missing entirely.

OTHER TESTING I HAVE DONE:

 - I updated one of the games to a version that no longer required the CD check, and it started immediately and ran perfectly once the check was removed. However, this is possible only with a very limited number of games, or resorting to fixes that violate the game's EULA or put the user's system security at risk.

 - I tried disabling driver signature verification and installing one of the games again; same problem.

 - Multiple compatibility modes; same problem. XP (Service Pack 3) mode and / or Run as Administrator mode make the error message go away, but the games still fail to launch.

SIGNIFICANCE:

Unless this is fixed in Windows 10, a massive catalog of older games will cease to function in Windows 10 for the simple reason that they cannot pass the SafeDisc copy protection check. I am accustomed to some games breaking with every new version of Windows as technology progresses (for example, the loss of the ability to run 16-bit programs in 64-bit Windows), but this seems to be an unnecessarily harsh change.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-01-12T07:03:13+00:00

    Interesting. I would have thought there would be consistency across all software.

    Does your software require a disk in the drive to load ?

    If not, this would add credence to my suspicions that MS is using DRM Blocking on games in an effort to make

    disk based games redundant and extort people into  buying games again via download.

    Otherwise why would other software be able to circumvent DRM Blocking by simply using the 'run as admin' option ? Particularly as the whole weakness in the secdrv.sys file is supposed to be that it is allowed to run as admin ?

    [EDIT: Well, could work either way. If there is a different form of SafeDisk on non-game software

    that still requires a disk check, that could be also be an indication games are being targeted. ]

    Fortunately games that use the old DRM will install and only get blocked when attempting to launch, so

    while Windows is blocking the game from loading from disk, it still allows the suspect driver to be installed.

    Some games also install a secdrv file in the games install directory, so there can be a number of these floating

    around on a machine with a lot of games.

    Games don't respond to the 'run as admin' option, but I agree, no harm in trying.

    I have previously verified the 'run as admin' option does not work with ten (that have been checked for

    secdrv.sys) of my games that have SafeDissk DRM.

    I think it's pretty safe to assume that no game that uses this driver will load on Win10.

    • With each game there is an error that says to 'run as admin', but when you use this option either nothing happens,

    or you get the Compatibility trouble-shooter popping up. Which, of course never helps.

    • I've used noCD fixes forever, so haven't been personally bothered by this DRM Blocking nonsense, but it has

    caused lots of confusion for 'casual' gamers and Windows users, particularly as MS didn't have the decency to include a new error message that is truthful.

    Many many people have been left very confused, and disappointed after seeing this bogus 'run as admin' error,

    only find using that option does not help.

    They are then left with no true indication of what is preventing them from playing their games. 

    They are led to believe the games are no longer compatible, and are unaware of what has been foisted on

    them via MS and this new malware 'feature'.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-01-11T14:42:09+00:00

    I think it's worth a try to test compatibility mode. It takes no time and if it works, it's all win. In my case I tried it on a Macromedia Safedisk protected DVD (not a game though but a topographic application dated 2005 with a lot of maps). It didn't run any more since the KB3086255 update on Win 7 so I had to issue the "sc config  secdrv start= demand" and "sc start secdrv" to get it working again.  I installed the same application on Windows 10 and ran the  executable  in compatibility mode without any problem.  Secdrv.sys was installed in the Windows\system32\drivers directory and, in the registry, the secdrv entry was created (KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Currentcontrolset\

    Services). 

    The secdrv.sys which was installed was version 4.06 (150 kb). I do not know to what level of the SafeDisk protection it is related, probably an older one, which might explain why it works.

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-01-11T09:44:19+00:00

    Texan has another thread regarding The Sims Complete Ed, which I believe he may have been yelling about above.

    This game uses secdrv.sys. 

    Is this the game your Compatibility fix was successful with ?

    A large number of disk based games (much larger than the 'handful' suggested by MS) have a

    problem with DRM Blocking, and my understanding is The Sims is one of the games that is affected.

    If a game uses the DRM  that MS has decided to block, and you are using Win10, no Compatibility setting

    is going to circumvent Windows DRM Blocking.

    With Win10 you either have to us a noCD fix/hack,  or buy the game via a download.

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-01-11T02:17:38+00:00

    Did you ever try to run your game in compatibility mode ? In my case it worked and SecDrv driver (old version 4.06, 150 kb) was installed with no need to issue the "sc config secdrv" command.

    Install your game on the hard drive.

    Find the executable(s) (.exe) of it (on the hard drive, not on the DVD or the CD).

    Right click on it.

    Select "Properties".

    In the popup Windows "Properties of : ..." click on the "Compatibility" tag.

    Check "Execute this program in compatibility mode for : " checkbox.

    Click on the arrow underneath and select "Windows XP (Service Pack 3)".

    Click on OK.

    Try it with the CD or DVD inserted.

    As I said in my case it worked (an AMD Athlon  64 X2 4600+ running a Windows 10 32 bits). I am not sure if it will work in every other configuration but it's worth a try, isn't it ?

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-01-10T18:50:36+00:00

    PLEASE FIX THIS, MICROSOFT! LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS FOR ONCE! WE WANT OUR OLD GAMES TO WORK!

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