SECDRV.SYS Not Loading in Windows 10; this will break thousands of older games.

Anonymous
2015-08-01T20:13:40+00:00

Hello,

I have discovered an unfortunate problem with Windows 10.

Many games from the early-mid 2000's used Macrovision's SafeDisc (version 2) as a means of copy protection. At game startup, Windows loaded SECDRV.SYS to verify an original game disc was in the drive, after which the game would start.

When you try to run ANY game which uses this SafeDisc form of copy protection in Windows 10, the following happens:

 - You get an error window that tells you to log in with Administrator Privileges and to try again. This happens on any account, even those with Administrator access. The game fails to start.

 - If you then set "Run as Admin" compatibility mode on the game's startup file, the message disappears, but the game doesn't start.

 - Keeping a window open for C:\WINDOWS\SYSWOW64\DRIVERS shows SECDRV.SYS appearing at the moment you try to start the game. Based on its size, it appears to be the file that is present on the game disc (tested across several games), even though I see no disc activity and cannot find the file elsewhere on my system.

 - The Windows event log shows that SECDRV.SYS failed to load.

 - This happens both with an upgraded install (Windows 8.1 > Windows 10) and with a fresh Windows 10 install, with one of the games being installed immediately upon the fresh install completing.

 - On my Windows 64-bit 8.1 system, C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS has a folder called amd64_macrovision-protection-safedisc_31bf3856ad364e35_6.3.9600.16384_none_4e6b3758913c9240 with a SECDRV.SYS in it, presumably the one that ships with Windows. Windows 10 had such a folder in early builds, but it is missing from the release build. It appears SafeDisc support is missing entirely.

OTHER TESTING I HAVE DONE:

 - I updated one of the games to a version that no longer required the CD check, and it started immediately and ran perfectly once the check was removed. However, this is possible only with a very limited number of games, or resorting to fixes that violate the game's EULA or put the user's system security at risk.

 - I tried disabling driver signature verification and installing one of the games again; same problem.

 - Multiple compatibility modes; same problem. XP (Service Pack 3) mode and / or Run as Administrator mode make the error message go away, but the games still fail to launch.

SIGNIFICANCE:

Unless this is fixed in Windows 10, a massive catalog of older games will cease to function in Windows 10 for the simple reason that they cannot pass the SafeDisc copy protection check. I am accustomed to some games breaking with every new version of Windows as technology progresses (for example, the loss of the ability to run 16-bit programs in 64-bit Windows), but this seems to be an unnecessarily harsh change.

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  1. Anonymous
    2015-09-21T19:51:17+00:00

    In my case, this is Microsoft !

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  2. Anonymous
    2015-09-21T19:41:37+00:00

    Hi Paul,

    you should rather get in touch with Microsoft so they acknowledge this problem needs another solution rather than removing secdrv.sys support. Some people are right that MS has provided security updates for secdrv.sys in previous versions of Windows (e. g. Windows XP), I cannot accept the current situation is final, as MCP.

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  3. Anonymous
    2015-09-21T18:54:28+00:00

    I have some games that are so heavily DRMed that they will not work with anything except XP x86, x64 will not work

    publisher ignored me, so I will tell the forum that Burut is guilty, ******@burut.ru works but neither EN or RU is returned

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  4. Anonymous
    2015-09-21T18:43:19+00:00

    Gamboleer, I am sorry you are finding some older games that do not run under Windows 10 due to SafeDisc copy-protection.

    A vulnerability was discovered with SafeDisc and support has been removed from previous versions of Windows.

    SafeDisc support was not included in Windows 10.

    Please see https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3086255

    That article has a workaround but please note it only applies for Windows Vista,  Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1, and will result in your PC being vulnerable to malicious activity. The workaround does not apply to Windows 10.

    Another possibility would be to reach out to the software developer to see if you can obtain a digital version of the software that is not copy-protected using SafeDisc.

    Paul...

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  5. Anonymous
    2015-09-16T16:01:52+00:00

    I'm no Linux expert, but Secure Boot should work with it. You just need a bootable distribution that is properly signed for it to work. If yours doesn't work with a particular (size of) USB disk, I suggest you update to a more recent version. Or switch to Windows since that works with any and all USB disks in my experience.

    That said, it's off topic for this thread.

    For Windows, you can boot to Recovery Environment, open a Command Prompt from there and use Dism to backup/restore/move partitions in conjunction with bcdboot/bcdedit and diskpart. Or you make a Windows PE USB disk to do exactly the same. That might be slightly more involved however, but is useful if Windows RE isn't present or you want to move or resize the UEFI boot or system partitions. There's plenty resources on the Internet on how this all works. You will need a (USB) disk with enough free space to backup stuff, but that's smart anyway, since in-place editing of partitions is bound to get you into a 'have a good yesterday' style problem whatever software you use to do it.

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