Cant backup 8.1 using system image backup! Error 0x80780119, Cant optimise system partition, (this is why i cant backup) please read. . .

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I am having this issue, cant optimise the system partition 350mb. 8.1 official release,

This is also causing a huge problem, the optimise option in windows 8.1 allows me to optimise the c: drive but not the system partition this prevents a system image backup...!!

Due to the system partition being out of space for a shadow copy to be placed onto it the backup fails every time with this error code, -- 0x80780119 --.

Backups are a huge factor in operating systems and since upgrading I cant backup my system using windows image backup, if I could optimise the system partition and straighten out the file structure within it (free up some space) for the shadow copy then the volume shadow copy could be placed onto the drive but it cant...

This all worked fine in 8.0 but not now...please fix this problem!?

Not being able to backup your system is not good enough...

here is my my issue again in pictures...

1.system volume needs optimising

but pressing the optimise for this does nothing at all.. current status remains "Needs optimisation".

The way an ssd reclaims drive space is to use the optimise function, this not working prevents the reclaim for files/data to be written to space where files have been deleted previously. Giving the impression the drive/partition is full when really its not full just needs optimising/trimmed.

initiate the system image backup

both volumes to be backed up

error message due to insufficient space on the system partition for shadow copy.

finally here is a capture of the current disk setup on my system, notice the system partition only has 17mb free space and according to the above error message I need atleast 50mb free for the volume shadow copy !? Due to this I cant create a backup of my system using windows 8.1 !

(system partition has no drive letter assigned to it 350mb)

PLEASE HELP !! Thanks for reading.

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I have found a way around this getting Windows System Image Backup working again. I did this on my laptop and desktop confirming that I could recover from the images. It is actually pretty easy but should not be necessary. The reason that the backup would not work was because the recovery partition was using 284MB of the 300MB available. There was not 50MB available for shadow copy. Here are the steps I took on an EUFI GPT disk:

Note: All commands are without quotes.

Disclaimer: I would recommend backing up all of you important data as any time you mess with partitions, there is the possibility to lose data. This process was done one both my laptop (Win8.1 Home) and desktop (Win8.1 Pro). I cannot take responsibility if this causes any damage. With that being said, I hope this helps.

Download and install MiniTool Partition Wizard http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html Note that none of the changes will take effect until you hit apply. I am sure others may work but this is the one that I used and it is free.

You should have 3 Windows partitions; Recovery - 300 MB, EFI System - 100 MB, and your system Volume to start off with.

Once installed, Open Partition Wizard and Shrink your system volume, C: in my case, by 101MB at the beginning of the partition. (I had to put 101MB as when I tried 100 it said that the space was too small when doing the next step) To do this, Right Click the C: Drive, select, Move/Resize, and the put 101 in box named "Unallocated Space Before:" and click OK.
Copy the EFI System partition (100 MB FAT32) to this new Free Space by right clicking, selecting copy, and then selecting the unallocated space. Then next the OK.
Delete the 100MB EFI System Partition after the Recovery Partition.

After this is done, you will see 100MB unallocated space after the Recovery Partition.

Right click on Recovery partition and select Extend. Drag the bar to take up all of the extra free space. This will change the recovery partition from 300MB to 400MB allowing for enough space (50MB) for the shadow copy. Click OK.
Next Click Apply. I received an error stating that it could not make changes due to C: being in use. I clicked restart.

When the computer restarts, Partition Wizard will do its thing. Once it is done you should boot into Windows again.

This next part is essential, because, windows now does not recognize the partition that was moved before as an EFI System Partition. If you try and do a backup image now, only the system partition will show and not the Recovery or EFI System

Open a cmd prompt with administrator privileges. Press Start Key, Type cmd, right click, select run as administrator.
Type diskpart to start windows command line disk manager.
Find the disk that Windows is installed on by typing List disk. This will be different on each machine but for illustration mine was disk 0
Select that disk by typing the command "select disk" and the disk number.
Next, determine the EFI partition that was moved earlier. This is the partition that was moved earlier and should be 100MB. Type in the command "list part" to see a list of the partitions on the disk. Mine was Partition 3. This may be different on your system.
Once you have determined the partition number, type "select partition " and your partition number
Next you have to set this partition as an EFI System volume. Type in this command - "set id = c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b" This changes the partition type to an EFI system volume.
After all of this is done, restart your computer and you should now be able to back up you system using the System Image Backup in File History.

I know some of this may seem a little elementary to some but you never know who needs help and their technical knowledge.

I hope that this helps and let me know if you have any questions.

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2013-10-29T14:43:07+00:00
Dear friends i am providing you the 100% working guidance for systems having 4 partitions i.e Recovery>EFI>MSR>system. After following this guide you can backup system image.

i have successfully tried this guide on 18 systems.
1. Install minitool partition, Open Partition Wizard and simply delete the MSR partition dont afraid system will not crash or if will not do any harm. You will get 128 mb unallocated space.
2. Copy the EFI System partition (100 MB FAT32) to this new Free Space by right clicking, selecting copy, and then selecting the unallocated space. Then next the OK. put the extra 28 mb before this newly created EFI partition.
3. Delete the 100MB old EFI System Partition after the Recovery Partition.
After this is done, you will see 128MB unallocated space after the Recovery Partition.
1. Right click on Recovery partition and select Extend. Drag the bar to take up all of the extra free space. This will change the recovery partition from 300MB to 428MB allowing for enough space (50MB) for the shadow copy. Click OK.
2. Next Click Apply. Restart the computer
This next part is essential, because, windows now does not recognize the partition that was moved before as an EFI System Partition. If you try and do a backup image now, only the system partition will show and not the Recovery or EFI System
1. Open a cmd prompt with administrator privileges. Press Start Key, Type cmd, right click, select run as administrator.
2. Type diskpart to start windows command line disk manager.
3. Find the disk that Windows is installed on by typing List disk. This will be different on each machine but for illustration mine was disk 0
4. Select that disk by typing the command "select disk" and the disk number.
5. Next, determine the EFI partition that was moved earlier. This is the partition that was moved earlier and should be 100MB. Type in the command "list part" to see a list of the partitions on the disk. Mine was Partition 3. This may be different on your system.
6. Once you have determined the partition number, type "select partition " and your partition number
7. Next you have to set this partition as an EFI System volume. Type in this command - "set id = c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b" This changes the partition type to an EFI system volume.
8. After all of this is done, restart your computer and you should now be able to back up you system using the System Image Backup in File History.
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2013-10-29T09:17:30+00:00

This morning when I got online I checked for updates and there were none. Tonight, when I started the computer, sure enough, there was the message you were telling me about. Evidently there was an update that was released after I had checked this morning, but before I shut down. This is the first time I had ever seen the message. Perhaps I just never paid attention, although before I updated to 8.1 the 3rd party notifier program always notified me. So it's actually safe to say that this is probably the first time it ever appeared. I will now keep an eye out for it. Too bad the welcome screen only lasts for about three seconds.

Glad you finally seen the message :-) Still nothing on the system partition issue, I think it will die a death now, but I am glad I have had this experience as I can now see how Microsoft treat us customers, ignore us until the issue goes away... I still find that unbelievable but its true... ignored, left to it, and no response despite direct questions in forum thread on this matter... ie- http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-system/please-can-microsoft-respond-ssdsystem/5ccccb15-1c4e-415d-96d3-4ad73d854f9e

and the other 10 threads on this issue, ALL IGNORED.
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Anonymous

2013-10-29T04:17:32+00:00

This morning when I got online I checked for updates and there were none. Tonight, when I started the computer, sure enough, there was the message you were telling me about. Evidently there was an update that was released after I had checked this morning, but before I shut down. This is the first time I had ever seen the message. Perhaps I just never paid attention, although before I updated to 8.1 the 3rd party notifier program always notified me. So it's actually safe to say that this is probably the first time it ever appeared. I will now keep an eye out for it. Too bad the welcome screen only lasts for about three seconds.
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2013-10-27T23:15:45+00:00
Did you reset the EFI System Parition as and EFI partition?

Also, I would suggest resizing C:, reboot, and then only copy the EFI (100MB Fat32) partition to the extra space. Windows "recommends" that the partition layout should be like this,

Recovery --> EFI --> MSR --> System

but emphasizes that the Recovery partition needs to be at the beginning. So the setup with what you did should look like this.

Recovery --> MSR --> EFI --> System

This is the way that I have it on one of my machines and it works. The other, my desktop, I resized the C: drive shrinking it by 150MB, shifted the MSR and EFI to the right to take up that extra space and then extend the recovery partition. I ended up doing this in several steps instead of one big step and it worked great. Here is what I have,

Recovery (450 MB) --> EFI (100MB) --> MSR (128MB) --> System

The only thing with moving the EFI and MSR partitions over, you have to re-set the partition type to MSR and EFI. This can be done through diskpart.

I really want to try this, but since I am not sure about some details, could you please answer some questions:
1. What do you mean by moving EFI and MSR partitions? Is that Partition Wizard copy MSR -> delete original MSR, copy EFI and delete original EFI partitions?
2. Resetting partition type is done using the command "set id = c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b" command (EFI)? Do you also use the set command to set the type to the MSR partition? If yes, do you use ID e3c9e316-0b5c-4db8-817d-f92df00215ae? I have read that the set id command should not be used for the MSR partition, though.
3. In Partition Wizard, deleting system partitions requires OS reboot, correct? So if I delete the EFI-Boot-Partion and confirm reboot, does the PC really boot back to Windows 8.1 again without the boot partition?
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