options running XP on newer PCs?

Anonymous
2013-11-14T01:28:25+00:00

My 2005 Dell desktop running XP is having issues, and I'm thinking about a newer PC but want to run XP. I dont have the install discs (it's stored on the PC), so I would have to get those - XP PRO seems to be required if you want to run Windows Virtual PC on Win7/8... unless other brands of  Virtual programs will run earlier XP versions?

So I'm wondering what's the best way to run XP on newer PCs that typically have Win7 or 8 pre-installed. I'd prefer not wipe out the original OS, even though they take up space. I would imagine it would work best on a separate partition...? I dont want to get into a 2nd HDD.

I've read that there wont be XP drivers for newer PCs, so compatibility sounds like an issue.

Here's my questions and exploration of the options. Brief answers (yes, no, wrong, etc) would be helpful since I won't understand too detailed explanations.

Does XP work better in 1) XP Mode, 2) as a Virtual PC, or 3) on separate partition?

The advantage of the first is you dont need XP install discs, and it seems to be easily accessible. Disadvantage is you dont get the XP appearance, and it's only available on Win7 Pro and up.

The advantage of Windows Virtual PC is you can load XP (Pro only) on Win7 Home and up (unlike XP Mode that requires Win7 Pro), BUT you need the XP Pro install discs.

Can you use another brand Virtual PC on Win7 or 8 and use any XP version instead of XP Pro?

Advantage of separate partitions is you are actually running XP and getting XP window, rather than Virtual version. Can you load ANY XP version? Is this faster than using XP in Virtual PC?

Disadvantage is you have to install programs twice if you want both OS to use it.

Major disadvantage is it seems XP cannot be installed on pre-loaded Win7 or Win8.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-more-than-one-operating-system-multiboot

I noticed that Win7, and programs in general, work really fast on my 2011 PC (6 RAM, Intel i5). Is that because of the hardware or OS, or both? Would XP work almost as fast?

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  1. Anonymous
    2013-11-21T21:41:20+00:00

    I guess I should have just bit the bullet and got an external hdd, backed up, then tried the installation methods or separate partition/installation method (and perhaps not need to re-copy the data files back). Of course if I bothered to backup the data files, it might be better to do a factory reset.

    I just got a shipping confirmation for the Dell hdd - maybe I can send it back.

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  2. Anonymous
    2013-11-21T21:14:39+00:00

    That would do it. When installing Win7 Home you'll get the option of repairing or custom install. I normally wipe the drive as part of the custom install but it isn't required. You can install Home over Pro, but I think you'd get better performance from a "clean" install on a wiped drive. In any case, I'd still copy the data to a second drive or partition, for safety even if you installed over the old. All it would take is one stray click in the setup to erase your hard drive and your data. The screen where you tell the setup where to install Windows includes a button to format the drive/partition. I always tread lightly on that screen, since if I click wrong I could wipe out my data drive. :-)

    Uninstalling Windows in the same sense as uninstalling a regular program isn't done. It leaves you with nothing to run your computer. The standard way to "uninstall" an operating system is to simply wipe the drive and install what you want.  If you upgraded, you sometimes have the option of undoing the upgrade and reverting back to the previous OS, but it's not always available and doesn't always work - for one thing it's common to remove the backup files to recover space. That's one reason I do the 2 drive setup, so I can easily redo the system drive if I need to.

    Windows 7 disc management can resize the partition so you have room for another, as long as there's a large enough block of free space. It's a reasonably safe thing to check (backup still recommended!) and it won't let you do it if there isn't enough open space.

    An OS can access any partition it sees, as long as it's in a compatible format, and it won't create a drive in a format it can't use. And it can access partitions on other physical drives as well. I've used multiple physical drives and partitions (logical drives

    • all on the same disc) for years. As long as you use the tools Windows comes with, you don't have to worry about it accessing the partitions.

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  3. Anonymous
    2013-11-21T20:38:20+00:00

    a few days ago, a Dell or Microsoft tech said that I should be able to do a custom install of W7 Home (over the W7Pro) and keep my files. A Dell repair guy told me something similar - files should be kept even if I uninstall W7Pro and install W7Home. Both recommended backups first, of course, but they didnt say my data files would definitely be erased (like this 3rd tech said).

    Because both procedures above involved installing, I would have thought just uninstalling W7Pro would be a less risk to data loss.

    I wish I had made a partition to begin with, assuming an OS on one partition can access data on the other.

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  4. Anonymous
    2013-11-21T18:14:09+00:00

    It seems odd that you couldn't just delete the Windows directory from the old installation, but I've never had any cause to try it.

    As long as you can shrink the existing partition, and there's enough space on the one you create for your files, creating a second partition for your data should work just fine. The only trick is it's not always possible to shrink the existing partition enough. You won't know until you try. (Again, a data backup before messing with the file system is a very good idea.)

    You could move your files to the new drive, reformat the old and put 7 Home on the old reformatted drive. Just check the permissions of your files before you blow anything away - make sure "Everyone" has full control just in case. If you make your username on the new install the same as the old, you should avoid any problem with permissions, but it's best to be on the safe side. You want to be certain you can access the data after you reinstall.

    Of course, the rights problem I'm concerned with here only happened on my Win7 to 8 migration, but I'd rather not see you unable to open your files. I actually had no problem at all accessing my data (on it's seperate partition) on my laptop when I had to reinstall Windows 7. Since I made the username the same as before, I had no problems. You'll probably be ok.

    Just out of curiosity, why are you determined to stay with XP? Is it just that you prefer XP, or do you use software that won't run on 7 or 8?

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  5. Anonymous
    2013-11-21T16:42:11+00:00

    I phoned Dell to make sure this would all work. They checked with their techs, said yes, and because they sell hdd, I decided to get one like my current one (apparently a Seagate) for the same money as the WD (except Dell charges shipping). Figured any warranty issues would be easier thru them.

    Then they switched me over to a tech supervisor, which seemed odd since I thought we were done, and he said that the only way to remove the OS on the old hdd was to reformat and lose all my data. I cant just remove the Windows folder, or uninstall W7Pro.

    The only option is move my data to the new hdd (and if I've loaded W7 on it, I need to create a separate partition for this situation - my PC doesnt have RAID settings that allow two hdd with an OS on each to access each other). Then I could reformat old hdd to eliminate W7Pro...and move the data back if I wanted. But it defeats the purpose of my goal - downgrade W7 while leaving data untouched. If I wanted to backup a TB of data, I could buy an external, and I'm thinking maybe I should cancel the order and do that instead.

    I guess someone would have suggested this if it were possible: make a partition on the old hdd for the data, then remove and/or reinstall the OS.  Is the problem that the new partition must be initially empty memory (rather than contain the files you want to save), and that you cannot simply drag files from one partition to another?

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