ErnieSiteList and ErnieUserList

Anonymous
2014-04-21T20:06:09+00:00

Microsoft Security - Privacy Concerns

I found two unknown directories on my PC in my user profile.  I have, so far, been unable to identify what put them there, which process owns them, and when I delete them (using Admin escalated privileges) they come back after a few minutes or immediately after reboot.

     c:\users\username\appdata\local\ErnieSitelist\container.dat

     c:\users\username\appdata\local\ErnieUserlist\container.dat

     C:\Users\username\AppData\LocalLow\EmieSiteList\container.dat

     C:\Users\username\AppData\LocalLow\EmieUserlist\container.dat

It was time, anyway, so I wiped the drive using factory low-level overwriting and performed a clean install of Windows 8.1 Pro using a freshly downloaded ISO from Microsoft; one with an ESD distribution, written to a new just out-of-the-bedamned-hardshell-plastic flashdrive..

I just completed the clean install, in this sequence:

Boot to flashdrive and let Windows create partitions then install.  Reboot.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Activate.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Run first Update; install everything except Bing Bar and Desktop.    Check AppData; no folders found.  Reboot.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Add Feature Windows Media Center.  Check AppData; no folders found.  Reboot.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Run Updates a second time.  Check AppData; no folders found.  Reboot.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Remove MS C++ v12 x86 and x64 installed during Update.    Check AppData; no folders found.  Reboot.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Download from MSDN (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/default) Redistributables MS C++ x86 and x64, 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2012.4 versions, and install in sequence.  Check AppData after each install; no folders found.  Reboot after each install and check AppData; no folders found.

Run Updates a third time.  Response was No Updates Available.  Check AppData; no folders found.

Reboot.  Check AppData; all four sub-directories are now present.

These sub-directories and dat-files are not, so far, present in the AppData\Roaming directory.

There is nothing except Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro WMC and the 10 MS C++ packages installed; and MS Silverlight and AMD (videocard) Catalyst Control Center on the machine.  Windows Defender is present but is installed as part of Windows 8 and 8.1; and its' updates are provided via the MS Update process.  All - repeat ALL of these items are provided by Microsoft.

My questions are:  What are the ERNIE directories for; what program created them, and what does the various container.dat files "contain"?  And . . . if not absolutely necessary, How do I get rid of them and keep them from coming back?

First attempt at Solution:

Permissions are Full for System, UserName, and group Administrators.  The UserName is the Owner, and Effective Permissions for each of the 3 is Full.

Open Command Prompt (Admin)

C:\Windows\system32>cd\

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\Local\EmieSiteList\container.dat

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\Local\EmieSiteList

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\Local\EmieUserList

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\Local\EmieUserList\container.dat

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\LocalLow\EmieUserList\container.dat

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\LocalLow\EmieUserList

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\LocalLow\EmieSiteList

C:>attrib -r -h +s C:\Users\Carl\AppData\LocalLow\EmieSiteList\container.dat

C:>

BOTH Files and Directories are no longer Hidden.  The Directories still show that the files within are READ-Only, but checking the actual file shows that it is no longer R-O.

I then deleted each of the 4 directories and  closed Windows (File) Explorer.

After less than 3 minutes reading pages on the internet (at Microsoft's Ask Windows Community), I opened Windows Explorer to check and found that the sub-directories had re-created themselves in both the Local and LocalLow directories.

The container.dat files were back in the Local sub-dir and after another few minutes, also back in the LocalLow sub-dir.

Both the sub-directories and the container.dat files are once again Super-Hidden.

Analysis using Windows utilities and SysInternals and NirSoft tools have not identified which object or process or service owns these objects.

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Anonymous
2015-03-03T10:55:41+00:00

Hi,

There are many different malware detection and cleaning applications, including Microsoft’s own Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT), which is a free download here. The problem with most anti-malware tools is that they rely on malware signatures also known as malware definition updates to detect the malicious code. Whenever a new piece of malware is discovered, the vendor of any Antivirus software has to update the database that is the algorithm to recognize the new malware. Malware authors are prolific, though, and new malware is discovered on a daily basis, so the anti-malware vendors are always one step behind.

That means users are left unprotected against the new threats for some amount of time, depending on how rapidly the vendors can create, test and deploy updates. This is the reason why often one tool will find malware that another misses, and when a threat is brand new, none of the tools may find it. That’s the basis of the “Zero Day” concept – a threat that’s so new there are no protections against it yet in place.

Thus the need for manual malware cleaning methods. Although it’s much more convenient to just run an anti-malware application and hope for the best, if you notice suspicious behavior occurring on your system and those programs can’t find anything wrong, you can delve deeper to find it yourself instead of waiting for the vendors to get the tools updated. You can do that with Sysinternals utilities such as Process Monitor,

Manually Identifying and Cleaning Malware

The steps involved in the manual malware detection and cleaning process, as follows:

  1. Disconnect the machine from the network.
  2. Identify the malicious processes and drivers.
  3. Suspend and terminate the identified processes.
  4. Identify and delete any malware autostarts.
  5. Delete the malware files.
  6. Reboot and repeat.

This can be a multi-step process because malware writers often create very robust software. It’s designed to withstand your efforts to kill it or even morph itself in to something entire different(Like a polymorphic virus that changes its virus signature i.e., its binary pattern every time it replicates and infects a new file in order to keep from being detected by an antivirus program.)

Step one is a precautionary one. Disconnecting from the network prevents your infected machine from infecting others on the network, being disconnected from the network will also enable you to fully observing the malware’s normal actions and completely understanding how it works and all that it does.

How do you identify processes that are suspicious? Look for those processes that have no icon, have no descriptive or company name, or that are unsigned Microsoft images. Also focus on those processes that live in the Windows directory, that include strange URLs in their strings, that have open TCP/IP endpoints or that host suspicious DLLs or services (hiding as a DLL instead of a process). Many are packed – compressed or encrypted – and many malware authors write their own packers so you don’t find the common packer signatures. Most malicious software will have some or all of these characteristics.

So how do you go about examining the processes in the first place? Many IT pros would start with the obvious: Task Manager’s Processes tab. Task Manager has been improved in Vista and Windows 7, in comparison to Windows XP. The Description column, which gives you information about what application is using each process, is a welcome feature that’s shown in Figure 1.

Figure 1

You can get additional information in Task Manager by going to the View menu and clicking Select Columns, then checking the boxes you want, as shown in Figure 2.

Figure 2

For example, you can display the image path name to show the full path to the file that’s connected to the process. Or you can check the Command Line box to show the command, with any parameters or switches that was used to launch the process (malware often has strange looking command lines). You can see this additional information in Figure 3.

Figure 3

Another way to get more info about a process in Task Manager is to right click it and select Properties, which will open its Properties dialog box. Here you can see information regarding its file type, location and size, digital signature, copyright information, versioning (most malware doesn’t have version information), permissions, etc. All of this is a good start, but Task Manager still doesn’t give you quite the in-depth look at a process that you can get with a tool such as the Sysinternals Process Explorer.

Using Process Explorer to Identify Malware

Process Explorer is a free 1.47 MB download from the Windows Sysinternals web page on the TechNet site. It runs on Windows XP and above. Current version is 14.1 and you can get it here. You can also run it from this link 

As you can see in Figure 4, it gives you a different view of your processes than what you get with Task Manager.

Figure 4

You’ll notice that in Process Explorer, the process tree in the left column shows parent-child relationships. If one process looks suspicious, related processes may also be. An extremely handy feature is the ability to right click a process and select “Search online” to do a web search for information about the process, as shown in Figure 5.

Figure 5

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that some malware will use pseudo random generated process names, in order to prevent you from finding any information in a search.

To know more about Process Monitor and how to use it sniff out malwares I suggest you follow this link:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/askperf/archive/2007/06/01/troubleshooting-with-process-monitor.aspx

Remember, though, that malware authors can also get digital certificates for their software, so the existence of a valid certificate does not guarantee that the process isn’t malicious.

Lastly, I would request you to take a look in to this link regarding EMIEsitelist and EMIEuserlist hidden directories and dat files :

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/exchange/en-US/9b080135-dd7c-458a-93bb-e62b3fdbdd07/emiesitelist-and-emieuserlist-hidden-directories-and-datfiles?forum=ieitprocurrentver

Hope this information was helpful.

Regards.

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  1. Anonymous
    2014-04-26T15:39:49+00:00

    I have the same problem.  The two EMIE container.dat files have also appeared on my personal laptop.

    I'm running Windows 7-64 home premium on a Dell Vostro 3460 laptop.

    As mentioned this is my personal laptop.  It is not part of an "enterprise" .. and not connected to a domain.   I'd like to know how I can verify that these are not harmful trojans/malware/resource hogging files.

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  2. Anonymous
    2014-04-26T16:05:04+00:00

    Most definitely part of Internet Explorer.  I deleted these folders, did a restore of my system prior to the installation of the KB2929437 Cumulative Security Update as described by JediDude Lightsaber; then went into Windows Update and reinstalled all updates except KD2929437.  The files are gone, and have not returned; proof that these files are part of that Windows Update.

    I'm not an IT professional so I have no need for these folders or files.  When going into the Group Policies to turn this off, there wasn't any reference to Enterprise Mode Site List Manager.  In fact, I could find no reference to Enterprise Mode Site List Manager anyway; not even in a registry search. so I was stumped how it was I even had these folders appearing.

    I feel this update was not a very important update since it was not automatically checked like all the other updates that were listed; therefore, I marked it as hidden so I would not be prompted to install it again

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  3. Anonymous
    2014-04-29T07:33:27+00:00

    Just intolerable--- Microsoft pushes automatic updates that cause unknown files and even new running services to be installed (like user mode and kernel mode driver framework a few years back.) Security-aware people notice things running on their computer that never did before -- and searches of the Microsoft website show nothing -- but Google is full of panicked people trying to figure out what is going on. Reports like the one in April 2014 about an undiscovered "complete takeover" hole in EVERY FRIGGING VERSION of Internet Explorer (including IE11) running on EVERY VERSION of Windows gives us ZERO CONFIDENCE that our computers have not become infected with some new infection -- so we often remove these unknown things (which turn out to be legitimate updates) and end up breaking Windows. I removed something about a year ago that was supposed to be on Windows 7 SP1 (but no mention anywhere on the Microsoft website -- and when I clicked on the event log online help - "no information about this event") and then six months later -- I noticed that CBS.log (which as the administrator -- and only user -- I had "no permission to view" until I copied it to another directory --- WTF?) and showed that after I removed the unidentified process all further Windows Updates failed to install despite my Windows update history showing they had been installed successfully. I would have never noticed this except at the same time the SERVICING component -- that is supposed to ensure that only the drivers matching your hardware are running -- broke and my computer gradually slowed to a crawl as more and more sys and dll files were loaded into memory that would NEVER be used -- Intel and AMD chip files at the same time --- and huge RAID array support files -- Nvidia, VIA, AMD, Intel all set to run at startup! And that meant YET ANOTHER 24 hour **** of Windows reinstall, (and telephone **** to activate after being told I was running a non genuine copy of Windows from my Retail full install Windows disk (Do you want to purchase a NEW version of Windows or pay a fine to make your counterfeit version LEGAL?)  because I have too many reinstalls and hardware upgrades for one  product key on the same machine ) along with a number of legally purchased MP3 songs that no longer play on WMP because they belong to "account unknown." $199 Chromebook looking better and better (my spouse has one that I have to borrow to go online to find out if some new "feature" running on my Windows laptop is malware, or which Microsoft updates will hose certain machines...)

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  4. Anonymous
    2014-04-29T09:57:33+00:00

    Facing the same problems I am "happy" (you know what I mean) to hear I am not the only disappointed one.

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