I HATE Windows 8. This is the worst OS ever invented.

Not everyone likes the way any "Bentley" model might look - but they may like the way the engines run (may not, as well - also a different need/opinion possibility there) - so there likely are many people who would love to have a Bentley engine in a Hyundai body because they like the look of the Hyundai and don't (possibly) even care about the engine.  As for the other way - same thing.  After all - you get people who modify the external look of vehicles all the time so they *look like* a vehicle they could not afford (often spending way too much money they can't even really afford to do so.)

 

So - while I can appreciate your opinion that you do not like the interface and/or you don't think you should have to change the interface in any way so that you like it... Others will (and do) feel differently.

 

I personally almost set out to not like Windows 8.  It was a dramatic and obvious change from the 'norm' I was surrounded with.  However, on the right system - I find it a wonderful and almost addictive interface.  Having said that, I can see where on an older system - one not built around Windows 8 - it could quickly be annoying and overbearing.  My solution: I don't use it or recommend it on such systems.

I very much like your answer here and let me comment and sorry for the typo-this particular forum window does not underline typos like others do... so I will have typos.

You noted above that some people will like Hyundai body and others the Bentley... true... however, a friend of mine ran an experiment -- for real.. I posted in a previous response that I am a PhD and we run experiments... so this person ran the following experiments: used two cars: a convertible Porsche and an old beat up brown station wagon. He took the blood of the subjects (I am only discussing the outcome of this test here on men) before and after the experiments. Men who received the old beat up station wagon and had to drive it in the city where their friends could see them had a huge drop in their testosterone levels and men who got the Porsche to drive in the city in front of their friends had a huge increase in their testosterone levels. Tstosterone levels mean a lot for men!

Whether you admit it or not, the way things "appear" are extremely important to more people than the way things work.

When you buy a new computer with a new OS AND you have to start by installing a third party start menu.. that's bad.. that's very bad Mike Hall MVP! And if you don't see that, then we must say that THAT is what is wrong with Microsoft! 

Why'd you buy a Windows 8 system without knowing what you were getting?  Windows 7 systems have NOT gone off the market that I know of.  :-)  You can go to a multitude of stores and try out the systems before deciding to buy one.  The internet is FULL of posts in both directions (for and against whatever you may want to research) - so you could look there.

 

It comes down to you either liking or disliking the new Windows OS and what *you* want to do/are willing to do to either run it or not.  All it takes is a little forethought.

That is true Shenan but at the same time you need to consider what is available and where when you purchase. I purchased my laptop (Dell) and this particular powerhouse was only available with Win 8. 

Secondly, I am a techie... I don't mind learning new things and doign new things (I was a programmer and senior systems engineer at Intel for a while) so you can imagine I will be curious about new stuff and frankly the last thing I will do is go to a store to try something out... I just want the new stuff... like all techies do. And I never go to stores unless it is for food... that is what the internet is for... you do your shopping there...

My comments here are to help Microsoft because I think (I hope) they read what people comment about. You can always buy an iPhone 1 but why would you if the 5 is already out? Same with Windows.. I can buy any other version.. but Win 8 is what I wanted for its speed.. I did not realize that you cannot turn off these gadgets and log on and that I would have to end up starting my new experience by buying a software to remove the visible features of what makes Win 8 into Win 8.

As a techie myself, I strated still with DOS - actually started with Apple's first public computer (Mac Plus I htink it was) but switched to PC in the DOS stage and have purchased the first windows version and the new versions--every single one except 2000--throughout the years.

I ended up as a top executive of a technology company some time ago and so you'd think I have the business knowhow (also have MBA and a PhD)..  so my words here are for Microsoft to see that  the road they are heading is not a winning one.

**For some people Win 8 will be great.. so was Newton from Apple.. I loved it.. still.. the majority of people hated it and Apple almost went under...**There is a reason for everything and these forums are no exception: they are visions into the minds of the user for Microsoft.

You will only need to install a third party start menu if you do not like the way Windows 8

behaves out of the box.

Why is that bad?

Because the start menu was (is) one of the essenses of the new Win 8 system... they made it different and the difference starts with the startup-screen and the startup menu... if people want to change that very function instantly--and I read a lot of "I hate Win 8" and nearly all complain about that--then there is something very wrong with the IDEA of the Win 8 startup and menu... the very thing that VISIBLY makes it a Win 8. The fact that it maybe faster or whatever is not visible... what is visible matters more that what's behind... it's like if you put a Bentley engine into a Hunday body or a Hunday engine into a Bentley body... which would you buy on first look?

People rarely go to the trouble to sign onto a web forum to say they love something, but when they are upset, people will go to great lengths to make sure everyone they can knows why.

So, just because you see more posts about changing the Start Menu because said group of people dislike it that much doesn't mean there isn't possibly an equal or greater number that have no need of the change to the classic view.

It's not even like this argument is new.  Windows XP caused it, Windows Vista/7 caused it and likely it will come up again.  There were purists in the Apple world that did not like all the changes from OS6-9 to OS X.  There's definitely people in the linux world that prefer one 'flavor' or 'interface' of essentially the same core OS over another.  Old argument, same basic answer.  There is no 100% right or 100% wrong when it comes to individual preferences - especially surrounding look and feel - 7 billion people, 7 billion possible opinions.

It's "Hyundai", by the way.  Not everyone likes the way any "Bentley" model might look - but they may like the way the engines run (may not, as well - also a different need/opinion possibility there) - so there likely are many people who would love to have a Bentley engine in a Hyundai body because they like the look of the Hyundai and don't (possibly) even care about the engine.  As for the other way - same thing.  After all - you get people who modify the external look of vehicles all the time so they *look like* a vehicle they could not afford (often spending way too much money they can't even really afford to do so.)

So - while I can appreciate your opinion that you do not like the interface and/or you don't think you should have to change the interface in any way so that you like it... Others will (and do) feel differently.

I personally almost set out to not like Windows 8.  It was a dramatic and obvious change from the 'norm' I was surrounded with.  However, on the right system - I find it a wonderful and almost addictive interface.  Having said that, I can see where on an older system - one not built around Windows 8 - it could quickly be annoying and overbearing.  My solution: I don't use it or recommend it on such systems.

When you buy a new computer with a new OS AND you have to start by installing a third party start menu.. that's bad.. that's very bad Mike Hall MVP! And if you don't see that, then we must say that THAT is what is wrong with Microsoft! 

Why'd you buy a Windows 8 system without knowing what you were getting?  Windows 7 systems have NOT gone off the market that I know of.  :-)  You can go to a multitude of stores and try out the systems before deciding to buy one.  The internet is FULL of posts in both directions (for and against whatever you may want to research) - so you could look there.

It comes down to you either liking or disliking the new Windows OS and what *you* want to do/are willing to do to either run it or not.  All it takes is a little forethought.

You will only need to install a third party start menu if you do not like the way Windows 8

behaves out of the box.

Why is that bad?

Because the start menu was (is) one of the essenses of the new Win 8 system... they made it different and the difference starts with the startup-screen and the startup menu... if people want to change that very function instantly--and I read a lot of "I hate Win 8" and nearly all complain about that--then there is something very wrong with the IDEA of the Win 8 startup and menu... the very thing that VISIBLY makes it a Win 8. The fact that it maybe faster or whatever is not visible... what is visible matters more that what's behind... it's like if you put a Bentley engine into a Hunday body or a Hunday engine into a Bentley body... which would you want to drive around with downtown with your friends?