Surface Pro 3 USB DVD/CD drives and getting them to work together

Anonymous
2014-06-23T01:12:01+00:00

Have a Samsung USB DVD drive. My Surface Pro 3 will "see" the drive for purposes such as copying files and folder or photos. It will also play a much CD if placed in the drive. However, if I place a DVD or CD with software to install the Surface will just loop and cycle - making a little sort of beeping noise, and that's about it. The device also sort of disappears when this process is going on. I've fiddled around with the AutoPlay settings and nothing seems to make this happy.

I was able to install some of the software I needed by copying the CD info over to a USB hard drive and then running the Setup from there. But, just can't get the machine to run them from the DVD.

I'm new to Windows 8.1, so this probably isn't helping me figure this out. I get the feeling I just have something set wrong somewhere, but I sure can't figure out what it is.

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Anonymous
2014-07-22T10:52:43+00:00

Even with a powered USB hub the device can still not get enough power, depending on the device.

What I had to do for my LG DVD LG DVD drives is use a split USB cable. One connection to the device and two USB connections to the hub. The two connections are one for power and one for data. This works great and can be reasonably purchased from 'MONOPRICE.COM'. I don't remember if the SP3 charger has a USB on it, if not you will need a hub. If it does then put on USB port on the SP3 and one on the charger port.

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Anonymous
2014-07-01T18:28:31+00:00

I have had the same issue. The USB3 port on the SP3 isn't providing enough power. Until a fix is provided in the form of a firmware updated, (maybe or maybe not) get yourself a usb3-y cable. Plug the secondary USB cable into the charging port on the AC power adapter.

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Anonymous
2014-06-25T22:23:59+00:00

Is this happening with the SP3 plugged into an AC source?

Does the DVD have a separate power supply?

If it doesn't have an external power supply, the SP3 port might not produce enough power to run it.

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Anonymous
2014-06-23T01:57:41+00:00

The drive does not have enough power for what you want it to do.  It does for a few basics but when installing software, the drive has to maintain a fixed RPM level.

I had a Samsung USB DVD drive before and I think mine had an additional dongle on the end to hook up to another USB port for additional power.

I would basically suggest to just continue doing what you are doing by transferring the files onto a USB pendrive and install from there.  No moving parts; no additional power needed to operate.  It would be a one time function anyhow and not worth changing the drive for.

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2015-03-02T22:00:04+00:00

my LG external cd/dvd drive acts as if it is being disconnected and reconnected multiple times while i am trying to access files on the optical media. the surface will make its disconnect noise, the folder will close and then it will make the connected device noise and open the folder again. This will happen in the middle of trying to install a program and will error the installation out. I have tried two different drives and they both act the same way.

Try using a POWERED USB hub, or try a Y cable that can plug into the USB charging port on the SP3 power brick. There probably isn't enough power from the USB port on its own.

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Anonymous
2015-02-26T20:38:38+00:00

You actually have a "powered" USB hub now.  Look on your power brick for the Pro 3.  You will see a USB port.  If your DVD writer has a "Y" cable, plug the main plug into the tablet and the "branch" cable into that USB port on the power brick.  That will give you the power you need.

Normally, DVD writers are USB 2.0 (Blu-Ray 3.0 only) but newer models are coming out with USB 3.0.

As for external powered USB hubs?  Any model you want.  They are not technical and are just normal hubs with an external power supply.

There is a chance that the problem you have is the drive does not have enough power to operate.  Just use the power brick and try it out.

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Anonymous
2014-11-07T23:37:48+00:00

I thought I'd reply that this problem now appears to be fixed, and I don't have any problem with the USB3 ports on my docking station.

The problem seemed to be resolved after I applied the several Microsoft firmware updates, so make sure you download them all!

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Anonymous
2014-09-19T09:22:00+00:00

Hi all,

just made a discovery: the previously non-connecting external hard drive USB 3.0 now connects, but only when the Surface Pro 3 is connected to power with its power lead.

Although this may be annoying on the road, at least I can now use the drive when power is connected.

David

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Anonymous
2014-09-17T17:05:08+00:00

I am having the same problem as everyone else: my external HDD won't work. It's a 750GB USB 2.0 WD. Even when I plug it into the Surface Pro 3's docking station it won't work.

Ah, finally got it to work: I connected the HDD to one of my monitors, which have powered USB ports, even though they are only USB 1.0.

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Anonymous
2014-08-26T09:47:24+00:00

It will support external optical drives, BUT, the USB port is underpowered.

Make sure that the external drive has a "Y" cable and you will need a powered USB hub to provide the extra power to the drive.  Once you do that, the tablet will support most drive models on the market.

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Anonymous
2014-08-07T12:02:11+00:00

I purchased a Samsung Ultra Thin Portable DVD writer.  I am trying to load a parts program to use on my surface Pro 3.  The SP3 keep saying that it doesn't have enough power.  It is plugged into the ac adapter.  SE-218

I have the same USB writer.  I purchased the following USB Y cable

http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-USB2HABMY1-Cable-External-Drive/dp/B003WV5DMO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1407412485&sr=1-1&keywords=USB2HABMY1

Note that it is USB A to mini B, since the Samsung SE-218 uses mini USB cable.  Also note that my version is only 1 ft, which is relatively short, but I like it since there is less to carry.  They have a 3 ft version.  I plug the red one into power supply of the surface pro 3 and it works.  I can read and write to DVDs.

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Anonymous
2014-08-06T22:33:16+00:00

The DVD drive is what does not have enough power.  On the DVD writer, is there a "Y" cable attached to it.  One end goes into the tablet and the other can be plugged into a regular PC or laptop and it is designed to provide more power.

If the DVD writer does not have a "Y" cable, it won't work.  There is no other way of boosting the power.  The USB 3.0 port has a fixed power output to provide to devices.  It cannot be increased.

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  1. Anonymous
    2015-04-01T05:04:35+00:00

    ... I don't think the problem with the USB is hardware related...

    I've studied this problem for several months because it was an interesting challenge and because I had a drive that I just HAD to get working with my Surface Pro 3.  And now it does! 

    I've come to conclude that the problem is NOT fundamental to the Surface Pro 3 hardware, but with the implementation of Microsoft's Connected Standby power management.  Connected Standby started with Windows 8 to support tablets and laptops to extend battery lifetime.  It aggressively conserves power by detecting when a device has been 'idle' too long and then suspends it (deep sleep).  But to give a suspended USB device the next command, the device has to be woken up.  Here is where that can be a problem: if the traffic to the device is 'power managed' then the request will stall if the driver that is the Power Policy Owner (PPO)-- the one in charge of putting the device to sleep and waking it up-- is not the first driver in the 'stack' of driver software managing the device. Often, the Microsoft mass storage driver (usbstor.sys) is the PPO but sometimes the device manufacturer's drivers are added to the stack to provide advanced functionality (like encryption, controls for the LED lights on an enclosure, etc.)  So if one of these drivers is put at the head of the queue and is not capable of doing the power management, then Windows cannot resume a suspended device! 

    You will have trouble if your USB device driver stack is not quite compliant with Microsoft's power management scheme.  Devices will disappear without notice if a command stalls while the device is suspended, or Windows itself might even hang.  Many of us have seen this happen (including me for a Buffalo drive that uses hardware encryption).  Others see behavior that is probably related to Selective Suspend--instead of just quietly suspending the USB drive, itsometimes disconnects entirely (causing a 'surprise-removal' tone) and just as suddenly it will reconnect.  These problems ramped up when Windows 8.1 came out in 2013, so many different laptops and tablets have been affected, not just Surface Pro 3. 

    Here is how it is supposed to work on the Surface Pro 3:  if the storage device hasn't been accessed for some fairly short time (30 seconds to a minute), then Windows suspends it.  Once you ask to use the device again (call up a file, look at the folder in Windows Explorer, etc.), then it is supposed to come back to life in a second or maybe two.  In testing the several types of USB hard drives I have, the typical behavior is for the drive to spin down (lights go out, drive stops rumbling) then to spin back up quickly once it is awakened by a request. Only the Buffalo drive problem made me track down and apply the registry fix that sets its power state to D0 (always ON).  That's the reason you see many people saying they had luck after following some directions from the Windows 8.1 forum from 2013 -- it showed how to turn off the power save feature, one particular device at a time.

    Here are my drives that sleep after 30 - 45 seconds idle time and then come back up rapidly when accessed again:

    1. Buffalo Ministation Extreme 1T  Model HD-PZ1.0U3  (new USB3) this one cannot wake if it goes to sleep because when it sleeps it loses its ability to read the hardware-encrypted drive; any attempt to work with files still listed in Windows Explorer hangs the system.  So I set it to never sleep (ran the script to set the registry hack http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8\_1-hardware/windows-81-causes-external-hard-drives-to-auto/c03b9212-9972-44b9-bfec-1cd7e70ec67e?page=4)).
    2. Western Digital My Passport 1T PNWDBACX0010BBK-01 (1 yr old USB3) it's activity light goes from steady (light vibration when drive is active) to slow blink when it is asleep (no vibration).  Takes it a few seconds to come back when asked for a file after it wakes from sleep, so this one is the slacker
    3. Seagate Free Agent GoFlex 1.0T   PN 92FANA-500 (2 yr old USB3)
    4. Seagate Free Agent GoFlex 1.5T   PN 92FAD1-500  (3 yr old USB3) It rumbles to life again in a second or so when asked to wake up)
    5. Western Digital  250 GB  Model WD2500XMS-00 (6 yr old USB2  I can't believe this old drive still works!)
    6. Envoy USB 60 GB (Recycled 5-yr-old Macbook Air SSD -- this one, being a solid state device, makes no noise when "waking"; I just see the status light change. 
    7. Seagate Backup Plus 2T PN 1K9AP7-501 (new USB3) 
    8. Silicon Power 1T Model D33B29 (new USB3) 

    We are supposed to be able to turn off power management if it poses problems like it did for my Buffalo drive, but it is hard to find the settings--they are NOT in the system Power Options. You need to go to Device Manager and find the problem drive and then go to its power options.  But once there, checking the box to Never suspend the device may not work-- many people said they tried turning off selective suspend everywhere, including at the USB device level, without making any difference.  It turns out (at least, 2 months ago when I tried it) that the checkboxes couldn't change the power setting value unless there was already a setting for it in the registry; you couldn't change the value until after you created a first instance of it!. The fact that the Microsoft crew named the keyword DeviceHackFlag should tell us something-- this was a workaround of whitelisting the problem devices, adding settings to the registry if one of these devices is detected in order to turn off its power management.  Apparently, the list was growing in 2013 and into 2014 and so Surface Pro 3 owners were affected too (see http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8\_1-hardware/windows-81-causes-external-hard-drives-to-auto/c03b9212-9972-44b9-bfec-1cd7e70ec67e?page=4). 

    That was the story as of a month ago, and I'm not sure if Microsoft updates have pushed out an update to improve compatibility.  I was able to manually fix my must-have USB hard drive and never did see any performance problems with the others.  I don't know if the registry hack is still needed -- maybe the ongoing Windows 8.1 updates finally fixed the problems.  But maybe not, because this thread is still showing plenty of frustrated people.  I see that many believe the Surface Pro 3 port is under-powered, and that is possible, but can't be the main problem because we had USB drive dropout problems even when using the Surface Pro 3 dock.  Maybe someone had a bad cable,  and maybe someone else had bad sectors on a drive.  Those are different problems mixed in with the larger one of getting Selective Suspend to work right.

    If you are desperate for a fix (if several devices don't wake from sleep) you can turn off Connected Standby for the entire PC or for USB devices as a class -- it takes another registry hack, though (see this, starting halfway down https://en.discussions.tomtom.com/go-and-start-40-50-60-series-go-400-500-600-5000-6000-mydrive-176/random-disconnects-on-surface-3-pro-968783).  It is a shame to throw out such a good idea for power saving, so I'm leaving Connected Standby turned on (except the Buffalo drive).  I hope that Windows updates get it working the way it should work, at least for most drives.  There will be some, though, that are just not compatible, even with Selective Suspend disabled.

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