Windows 10 OneNote app sucks.

That's a really good point about his background. People like that don't grasp that you can't just make everything universal simply because they're fine with how they use it. Their needs are totally different. A great example is that I'm very happy with the OneNote app on my iPhone and iPad -- but I never create content on it (it's all created from the desktop and I use it for reference when needed). It's not often -- but it's nice to have. But I can't operate within an environment like that -- MOBILE SHOULD STAY IN MOBILE!

As you no doubt know -- that's where the fiasco of removing the Start button came from. What I also find maddening is that they chose OneNote to do this. What do you think would have happened had they pulled this stunt with the rest of Office?

Oh yeah -- OUTRAGE that would far surpass the Start button. The only reason there's not more outrage over OneNote is because it never caught on like the rest of Office. I partially blame Microsoft for terrible marking on that -- because a lot of people just didn't get it. But I also blame users for being stuck in their ways.

Case in point: When I saw a colleague using OneNote, in a split-second it was self-evident that OneNote was a mighty powerful tool with all kinds of possibilities. Mountains of material in over 40 notebooks later -- I could hardly function without it. As I've written before -- i'd love to see these apologists try to navigate through that amount of material on their piece of junk.

You could very well be right about that piece as marketing material. ;o) "happy words" is right on the money (which is what this is all about in the first place).

I added a comment to that article at the same time I replied to you earlier.

So this guy is a young turk who (probably) has not worked for any other company. He's a smartphone addict rather than a PC user, which is why he favored the UWP version, even if it was massively worse than the desktop version.  Shame.

I still think that blog was written for him by marketing. It just has too many happy words.

I added a comment to that article at the same time I replied to you earlier.

So this guy is a young turk who (probably) has not worked for any other company. He's a smartphone addict rather than a PC user, which is why he favored the UWP version, even if it was massively worse than the desktop version.  Shame.

I still think that blog was written for him by marketing. It just has too many happy words.

Yep, I confirmed it:

"William Devereux is a program manager on the Edge team. Prior to that, he was a PM on OneNote, where he led all of OneNote's apps on Windows, as well as integration with key first-party initiatives and the core user experience across Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. Before joining Microsoft, he was one of the youngest recipients of the company's Most Valuable Professional award for his contributions and commitment to technical communities worldwide. In his spare time, he hosts a weekly podcast where he reviews multimedia for one of the largest entertainment franchises."

I just posted a reply to his piece -- you should do the same. We all should:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-365-Blog/The-best-version-of-OneNote-on-Windows/bc-p/805075#M1703

Have you ever read this piece below? It's from the previous project manager over OneNote (to my knowledge, anyway).

It's a masterpiece of self-delusion -- as it has absolutely no bearing on reality: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-365-Blog/The-best-version-of-OneNote-on-Windows/ba-p/183974

No I hadn't seen that particular piece of delusional marketing propaganda. It would be funny if it wasn't being sold as the "truth" by one of the largest companies in the world. If it really was written by a software project manager, I'm aghast.

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I have seen some of the phrases reused in other propaganda. Clearly it was written by some marketing weannie who has no contact with reality, at all. He is obviously someone who has to carry bags full of pennies to keep his feet on the ground. The pig characters in George Orwell's "1984" would have been proud to write that double speak.

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Have you ever read this piece below? It's from the previous project manager over OneNote (to my knowledge, anyway).

It's a masterpiece of self-delusion -- as it has absolutely no bearing on reality: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-365-Blog/The-best-version-of-OneNote-on-Windows/ba-p/183974

No I hadn't seen that particular piece of delusional marketing propaganda. It would be funny if it wasn't being sold as the "truth" by one of the largest companies in the world. If it really was written by a software project manager, I'm aghast.

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I have seen some of the phrases reused in other propaganda. Clearly it was written by some marketing weannie who has no contact with reality, at all. He is obviously someone who has to carry bags full of pennies to keep his feet on the ground. The pig characters in George Orwell's "1984" would have been proud to write that double speak.

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It's all about the money and making things easier for Microsoft. Nobody behaves this stupidly without ulterior motives.

Good stuff on your outrage below -- we need all we can get!! :o) And I'm glad you enjoyed "toddler-level toy." :o) What also infuriates me is that they could have just left OneNote exactly as it is on the 2016 version and never touch it again -- and that wouldn't bother me one bit. Why on Earth would you screw over your OneNote loyalists to push this piece of junk -- when they could do whatever they want with the app and just leave OneNote alone?? It's maddening in the extreme -- that they built one of the best tools ever created, and they throw it all away for this pi$$-poor OneNote knockoff.

Have you ever read this piece below? It's from the previous project manager over OneNote (to my knowledge, anyway).

It's a masterpiece of self-delusion -- as it has absolutely no bearing on reality: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Office-365-Blog/The-best-version-of-OneNote-on-Windows/ba-p/183974

I too enjoyed the "toddler level toy" characterization of OneNote.

OneNote UWP is completely in line with the carpy design of most UWP <cr>applets. Look at what they have been doing with the "settings" dialogs that "replaced" the control panel apps. Every one is dumbed down. But not to the amazing bad extent that OneNote has been degraded in this putative "upgrade".

Personally I suspect that someone at MS won a bet on how bad an app they can get away with shipping. I too hope that a bunch of people lost their jobs for doing this. But I doubt it.