Inconsistent ability to modify Outline Level of custom Headings

Anonymous
2017-02-27T18:09:55+00:00

I'm using Word for Mac 15.31 in MacOS Sierra 10.12.3, but this issue appears to be cross-platform, since a Word-for-PC user has experienced it as well (see end of this post):

Here's what should be the procedure for modifying the Outline Level of a custom Heading:

  1. In the Styles Pane, click on the down-triangle next to the Heading whose Outline Level you want to adjust.
  2. Then select:  Modify Style –>  Format –> Paragraph –> Indents and Spacing –> Outline Level.

However, usually the Outline Levels are grayed-out and thus not changeable (for both built-in Headings and custom Headings).  The only procedure I've uncovered that consistently allows you to change the Outline Level for a custom Heading (this doesn't work for built-in Headings) is the following workaround.  Suppose you want to change the Outline Level of "Custom Heading 1":

  1. Highlight an existing Heading, whose style is "Custom Heading 1",  in the document.
  2. Go into the document's Paragraph dialog (as opposed to the Heading's Paragaph dialog), and change the Heading's Outline Level there.  
  3. Go back to the Styles Pane, click on the reverse triangle for Custom Heading 1, and then select  "Update to Match Selection".  

This roundabout method is obviously unnecessarily complicated and laborious — there's no good reason you shouldn't be able to do this directly, in the Styles Pane, with Modify Style –>  Format –> Paragraph –> Indents and Spacing –> Outline Level.  After all, why does Word offer "Outline Level" as an option under Modify Style, only to leave that option (usually) disabled?  

[Note that all my custom Headings were created based on styles of built-in Headings.]

Further, as I mentioned above, when it comes to built-in Headings, even this procedure doesn't work.

But here's the additional puzzle:  One's inability to directly modify the Outline Level of custom Headings (using Modify Style) is not consistent.  For instance, suppose you click some body text, and then change that text to a custom Heading style.  Then, usually, if you try  Modify Style –>  Format –> Paragraph –> Indents and Spacing –> Outline Level, you'll find that this custom Heading's Outline Level is no longer grayed out!  [I.e., you just have to first change some text to that Heading, and then you can internally modify the Heading's Outline Level; the problem is if the text already is in that Heading style, in which case Outline Level will typically be grayed-out.] As a further oddity, if that custom Heading was based on a built-in Heading, if you go to the corresponding built-in Heading, you'll usually see its Outline Level is no longer grayed out either!  But if you do some other stuff in the document, and then return to check either the custom Heading or the built-in Heading, you will see that their Outline Level pull-downs have reverted to a grayed-out status.

An inconsistent ability to modify the Outline Levels of Headings has also been observed by Word MVP Doug Robbins, who is using Word for PC (indicating this issue is cross-platform).  He found that, for built-in Headings, sometimes Outline Level is grayed out, and sometimes it's not. Here's an excerpt from one of Doug Robbin's posts at https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice\_word-mso\_mac/three-issues-with-navigation-pane/9933f8eb-d25b-4c42-a743-623815949d60 :

For the Built-in Heading # styles, it is not possible to modify the level. (checking again, I find that it is possible.  I do not know why the Outline level: drop down was disabled when I took the screen shot.)

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Doug Robbins - MVP - Office Apps and Services 323.6K Reputation points MVP Volunteer Moderator
2017-03-02T07:39:03+00:00

Modify Heading 3 first, then before doing anything else, access the Modify Style dialog for Heading 3 and change the Style Based on from "Heading 2"

To (no style) - it's at the top of the list.

If you do not do that, when you subsequently modify the Heading 2 style, Heading 3 will inherit the modification because it is based on Heading 2

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  1. Anonymous
    2017-03-11T23:53:58+00:00

    I was just trying to say it seems there should be uniform guidelines all template developers follow, to avoid the inconsistent (and thus potentially confusing) behavior I illustrated in my screenshots. [And that, going forward, MS should "clean up" all the built-in templates that don't show consistent behavior.  Imagine how confusing it would be for most users of these templates when, after changing the typeface of Normal, some of the Headings change and some don't.] 

    Yeah, I know, User Voice :).

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  2. Doug Robbins - MVP - Office Apps and Services 323.6K Reputation points MVP Volunteer Moderator
    2017-03-11T23:43:51+00:00

    I am not sure if that will do what you want.  The point I was making that if an attribute of a Style (that is based on Normal) is changed, that attribute is no longer tied to the corresponding attribute of the Normal Style.

    It is usually recommended that the Heading 1 style not be based on any other style, but that all lower level Heading styles be based on the one above them so that changes made to an attribute at one particular level will cascade to the levels below them.

    Note however that if font sizes as set individually for each level, changing the font size of a level will NOT change the font size of a lower level

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  3. Anonymous
    2017-03-11T23:08:20+00:00

    Ah, I see.  So the designers of the templates, to provide consistent behavior, should really all finalize their Heading styles and, only after doing so, then base them on Normal.   Then if one wishes to, say, globally change the typefaces of all the built-in styles, one can do so just by changing the typeface of Normal (such a convenience is, I presume, the whole reason to base all the built-in styles on Normal).

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  4. Doug Robbins - MVP - Office Apps and Services 323.6K Reputation points MVP Volunteer Moderator
    2017-03-11T23:03:07+00:00

    If one of the Styles that was based on Normal Style was modified (and this may not have been by you, but by the originator of the template) by changing one of its attributes, and subsequently changing it back again so that it "appears" to match that attribute of the Normal Style, it will not, in respect of that attribute, return to be being based on the Normal Style and a subsequent change in that attribute in the Normal style will no longer be reflected in that Style.

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