Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!

Anonymous
2022-02-23T22:25:42+00:00

Hello,

File grouping is degrading my productivity. It is constantly getting between me and my work.

I am aware of the methods to disable file grouping within individual folders. Please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

I am also aware of the method that is supposed to disable file grouping within folders of a particular type (general, music, photos, etc.)... by setting the Explorer "Options > Apply to Folders". (As an aside, the auto-detection of folder contents often does not work and is a big headache.) Again, please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

What I need to do is prevent Windows from grouping files -- EVERYWHERE. Not just in Windows Explorer, but in application file dialogs. That is, file Open and Save dialogs. That is the absolutely last place I ever want to see grouping.

This is seriously a problem for me. My assets are organized alphabetically for a reason. When I have to right-click and choose "Group By > None" every single time I access a folder through an application dialog, it wastes my time, increases my workload, and makes me very cranky.

I know that Microsoft has added this feature because they think it is going to save effort and time for their users. That may be true in some cases, but there is no one solution to maximize productivity in all possible use cases.

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

If this is not currently possible in Windows 10, please make it possible.

Such a simple, basic option can save literally millions of hours of wasted time for a global user base.

Thank you.

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Les Ferch 10,361 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
2022-06-24T16:57:28+00:00

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

Option 1: Use WinSetView

The easiest solution is to use WinSetView. It's a free, open source, portable app that lets you choose your preferred Explorer default views, including grouping, and sets the registry values for you. It does not modify any system files and does not leave anything running (i.e. zero overhead). The settings will stick through typical Windows Updates, but will need to be reapplied after a major update.

Note: WinSetView resets all of your folder views to whatever you select as your default view preferences, which includes your grouping options. You may select one global view setting or select different views for each folder type.

Option 2: Clear saved views and "Apply to Folders"

This option uses the "Apply to Folders" button to set the user default view for the Downloads folder to Group by (None), but in order to ensure that all file open/save dialogs get the updated view, the currently saved views in the registry must be cleared out. To do that, first open RegEdit and delete the following registry keys:

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

After deleting those registry keys, set grouping to (None) in the usual way:

Windows 11:

  1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
  2. Sort menu > Group by > (None)
  3. > Options
  4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

Windows 10:

  1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
  2. View tab > Group by > (None)
  3. Options > Change folder and search options
  4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

This procedure must be applied for each folder TYPE. Typically, only the Downloads folder type is set to group by date, but if you have other folder types that are also grouped, the procedure will need to be repeated for those ones as well.

Once the above steps are complete, sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

Option 3: Modify the default in the registry

In this registry key:

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}\TopViews\{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}

Change the GroupBy value data from "System.DateModified" to "" (i.e. clear the data).

Note: The above key is protected. You will need to either change its permissions (not recommended) or access it using a tool that provides TrustedInstaller access, such as PowerRun, AdvancedRun, or RightClickTools.

If you make the above change for a new user before opening any Downloads folders, then you're done. Otherwise, you'll need to clear out the saved views using the following procedures:

Close all open apps.

Open RegEdit normally (i.e NOT as TrustedInstaller) and delete the following registry keys:

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

Run the following PowerShell script to clear views for Store apps such as the Windows 11 Notepad and MSPaint:

$Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
  Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
} 

Sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

Option 4: Per user script

Close all open apps and run the following PowerShell script for each user (please see the comments):

# This script will remove grouping from all possible views of the Downloads folder. 
# The change is applied to the current user's profile only. 
# Warning: ALL folder views (except Downloads grouping) will revert to Windows defaults! 
# This is a minimal solution. To set ALL default folder views, use the free tool WinSetView. 

$RegExe = "$env:SystemRoot\System32\Reg.exe"
$File = "$env:Temp\Temp.reg"
$Key = 'HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}'
& $RegExe Export $Key $File /y
$Data = Get-Content $File
$Data = $Data -Replace 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE', 'HKEY_CURRENT_USER'
$Data = $Data -Replace '"GroupBy"="System.DateModified"', '"GroupBy"=""'
$Data | Out-File $File
& $RegExe Import $File
$Key = 'HKCU\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell'
& $RegExe Delete "$Key\BagMRU" /f
& $RegExe Delete "$Key\Bags" /f
$Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
  Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
}
Stop-Process -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -ProcessName Explorer

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  1. Anonymous
    2022-08-01T21:57:22+00:00

    Thank you for the candor and clarity. I for some reason wanted to keep hope but needed to hear the truth. It helps me to move on and stop supporting Microsoft and their products as they don't care or fit user's needs any longer. So sad these days we no longer matter. I appreciate your now shared opinion.

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  2. Anonymous
    2022-08-01T21:43:06+00:00

    Microsoft has long since stopped keeping track of users' opinions, needs and useful suggestions.

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  3. Anonymous
    2022-08-01T03:06:53+00:00

    Thank you so much for your response and knowledge! I have been trying to find an answer for this for more than a couple weeks now to no avail.. It's such a problem. This is a deal breaker for me and Mac OS Never has this issue and performs great with excellent reliability. To not be able to place files in folders where you want them is absurd to me. It's completely illogical. It's hard to believe Microsoft Windows developers are so incompetent that they cannot retain or figure out such a fundamental and critical function. I'm just stunned. I shun updates, for just this reason, and now all my file orders are completely ruined from the current forced update.

      At the very least if Microsoft cannot figure out file placement, they should be able to allow manual sorting order. I'm going to have to change platforms to Mac. Not being able to place items where I want is not going to work at all. So surprised other windows users can even navigate in File Explorer or put up with this.   (when I put my car keys on the kitchen table and leave the room, I expect them to be there when I return. Not find them in the bedroom or somewhere else.  :  )  )      Oh my gosh.   I am grateful to you for the very unexpected and clarified explanation.  What a primitive backwards downgrade the current Windows OS is. It's not supposed to get worse!  Time to go to a much better and common sense solution if MS can't even figure out a critical and essential global function. Wow.
    

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  4. Les Ferch 10,361 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-08-01T02:25:31+00:00

    How do you "disable" auto arrange to be able to manually sort files within folders on Windows 10build 1826?

    This appears to be a registry issue that Windows 10 changed in the last few updates.

    I updated to the latest Windows 10 creation build and now ALL my files are misplaced from the order and placement within each window that I want. What I had and require simply is "random, NO auto arrange". How can I Lock them in place?! This is unacceptable and I need to sort files within folders the way I want to. (current "fixed" options are of no use to me at all.) Will WinSetView do/allow this? Thanks!

    The short answer is: No.

    Although you can apply a registry setting that will give you Auto arrange and Align to grid checkable items in the View menu of any folder, the options are useless as of Windows 10 Creators Update (April 2017). That is, if you add those menu options and uncheck Auto arrange, you can then freely move icons around within a folder (we're not talking about the Desktop here), BUT, the icon positions are NOT remembered. When you close and reopen the folder, all the icons return to a sorted grid arrangement.

    If you recently were able to manually move icons within folders AND have their position remembered, then you must have been running a very old Windows 10 release.

    Microsoft's reason for removing this feature almost certainly comes down to issues of performance and reliability. Tracking icon positions for individual files and folders adds a lot of overhead. With the large number files on storage media these days, it's unlikely we'll see that feature return.

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