Hello guys, I have been playing the game since launch and problems keep appearing since the moment of the slow download. I am not willing to talk about frequent crashing (despite good specs: Ryzen 2700x und 2080 Ti), but the autopilot in airliners like A320 Neo, B747 and B787 is horrible and extremely annoying, in them all!! Suddenly stops working and plane does not respond to any input given at any time, any altitude or any speed! And I am not assigning any crash simulation!!! The same applies to autothrottle! Is any one facing a similar issue? Could you manage to solve it? Thanks! UPDATE on 30.08.2020: So dears, to sum up some of the issues I met, I am putting that in short, keeping in mind I am not a true pilot, just a hobbyist simmer: first, I got relatively good specs PC (Ryzen 7 2700x, Samsung SSD, 16 Gb RAM, RTX 2080 Ti GPU). System all up to date, including BIOS, drivers and other softwares. Running on Windows 10 Pro ver. 2004. regarding game performance: the game struggles with loading speeds. Takes really really long time loading up. On 2K and 4K resolutions despite good specs and GPU there is a lot of frame drops. Opening Chrome in a separate desktop to read charts and route data into FMC for example makes the performance yet more horrible that it leads to the game continuously freezing and sometimes crashing to desktop, that the desktop becomes strangely blank and black that a reboot is then a must. Closing chrome improves the performance a little, but not much. The game freezes as well without having chrome open! Sometimes opening VFR-map, changing weather and co could end up freezing the game and even crashing it! flight control issues: starting with the horribly buggy autopilot buttons: engaging a function cannot be disengaged easily later, vertical speed is strange, that the button must be pressed twice and vertical speed must be inputted twice to force the plane into its ascent or descent. This is seen in all airliners including A320-Neo, B787 and B747. Sometimes (especially in B747) pitching the nose during level control is really horrible and too much! Have never seen all of this in true life and with true pilots! disengaging the autothrottle is catastrophic, that the throttle gets back to idle! Have never seen this as well in true life! B747 ILS is silly! After being established on the localiser, the plane suddenly and during final descent desynchronises with the localiser and G/S, that manual control is definitely a must and sometimes ending up in missed approach/overshooting runway! LNAV is generally working good. However, a strange thing happened when I flew from EHAM to EDDF with B787, where the LNAV suddenly entered a 360° loop just after the second or third waypoint, as if it is not getting recognised. Removing the affected waypoint(s) from the FMC did not help. (is it a bug?!) ATC is horrible!! A lot of bugs! For example, cannot request other approaches, once option selected, nothing happens! Being on IFR, ATC requests to change altitude is horribly silly!! For example, once approaching to finals, the ATC suddenly requests unexplained ascent to high levels (FL120 from 5000 ft as example) and just a few seconds later requests back again to descend back to 4600 ft. Just silly! I would prefer controlling levels myself! ATC does not synchronise with the high-altitude flight data given into the FMC! For example, when a flight is intended to be a high-altitude flight (FL350) with some waypoint(s) having FL370, ATC asks yet only to maintain an altitude of 7000 ft throughout the flight, as an example! That’s a silly function as well! FMC is - generally speaking - not bad, but yet primitive. Cannot change a lot of parameters (like V1, VR and V2) or other thrust or take off limits. FMC does not provide the point of descent as well! This is what I noticed so far. If you noticed some of these bugs, all of them or other bugs, please share. If you could manage to fix any of them, please share as well!

Fair enough? You think its fair that they took your money in exchange for a product that is not yet done? This practice didn't exist 10 years ago. But now companies think its ok to make paying customers part of their beta program. Fair would be letting me try a demo before making up my mind on weather or not I wanted to exchange money for the product. This practice should be illegal and I think many feel the same.

Fair enough? You think its fair that they took your money in exchange for a product that is not yet done? This practice didn't exist 10 years ago. But now companies think its ok to make paying customers part of their beta program. Fair would be letting me try a demo before making up my mind on weather or not I wanted to exchange money for the product. This practice should be illegal and I think many feel the same. Difference is this is far more complex than other "games" that come out and it's more of a platform for the next 10 years. Nothing about it is really "game breaking". The world, sim, weather, scenery, airports, everything works minus a few minor issues I've come across. Just because a few features on the airliners are not study level (if you were expecting this, then this is unrealistic) and there are a few bugs with certain aircraft only doesn't mean it's a beta product - I mean I can see why you would think that if they were the only planes you use. I have almost zero issues while flying GA aircraft, yes some of the airliners have issues but these have far more complexity/systems and the base aircrafts are far better than what you get in other sims. Most of the issues can be worked around - I've flown plenty of long haul flights with the 787 10hrs+ and numerous smaller flights with the A320neo. I suppose I'm being a bit more accepting of this because this is such an ambitious undertaking, and with the pandemic it's been even more difficult to develop games than it already is which I'm sure can be attributed to the issues. I've watched numerous videos with the developers, Q&A streams and it's obvious the developers are passionate about this so I'm confident the issues will be fixed over time.

The auto throttle in the Airbus is such a pain, i have the same issue as you, it goes on randomly, even if i have no speed set, very sad.

I have only flown the smaller airplanes. If you pause the game with autopilot on then resume - nothing works and you almost always crash. the planes simply spiral to the ground. pushing the ap btns or trying to fly manually - nothing. Some things that also could be improved. When you pop out the windows for the G1000 - it would be nice if the buttons to control them were present. Replay mode needed - I echo that. Still working on getting ILS working properly - works a charm in x-plane 11.5 sw5

I suppose I'm being a bit more accepting of this because this is such an ambitious undertaking, and with the pandemic it's been even more difficult to develop games than it already is which I'm sure can be attributed to the issues. I've watched numerous videos with the developers, Q&A streams and it's obvious the developers are passionate about this so I'm confident the issues will be fixed over time. Look my friend, I would agree with you, the game is really a huge game that has a really great potential with the amazing Scenery and Graphics that I guess no developer would bring such a game for long time now. I agree with you, I give the game my support. I myself am not planning to get a refund for the time being. But you should not compare the game to other games as the other games have also Demo versions and cost less than that of MSFS 2020. Let me ask you to get what I mean: can you drive a car if it has a faulty rear windshield wiper? Of course you can. But can you drive a car with a faulty gas pedal?! So is the case with MSFS 2020: the bugs it has are like having faulty gas pedal, faulty brakes, etc in a car! You cannot then use your car! The bugs the game has let the game be not playable! So I am not planning to have a refund for the time being, but if MS does not fix these "silly" bugs by their upcoming update(s) and although I really support the game for now, I would rather make use of my right of refund in case the bugs keep getting ignored as they did since alpha stage, even if I had to consult a lawyer and file a lawsuit, because I purchased the premium deluxe version and not a standard version!

Autopilot, Autothrottle and instrumental issues in MS Flight Simulator 2020

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Hello guys,

I have been playing the game since launch and problems keep appearing since the moment of the slow download. I am not willing to talk about frequent crashing (despite good specs: Ryzen 2700x und 2080 Ti), but the autopilot in airliners like A320 Neo, B747 and B787 is horrible and extremely annoying, in them all!! Suddenly stops working and plane does not respond to any input given at any time, any altitude or any speed! And I am not assigning any crash simulation!!!

The same applies to autothrottle!

Is any one facing a similar issue? Could you manage to solve it?

Thanks!

UPDATE on 30.08.2020:

So dears, to sum up some of the issues I met, I am putting that in short, keeping in mind I am not a true pilot, just a hobbyist simmer:

first, I got relatively good specs PC (Ryzen 7 2700x, Samsung SSD, 16 Gb RAM, RTX 2080 Ti GPU). System all up to date, including BIOS, drivers and other softwares. Running on Windows 10 Pro ver. 2004.
regarding game performance: the game struggles with loading speeds. Takes really really long time loading up. On 2K and 4K resolutions despite good specs and GPU there is a lot of frame drops. Opening Chrome in a separate desktop to read charts and route data into FMC for example makes the performance yet more horrible that it leads to the game continuously freezing and sometimes crashing to desktop, that the desktop becomes strangely blank and black that a reboot is then a must. Closing chrome improves the performance a little, but not much. The game freezes as well without having chrome open! Sometimes opening VFR-map, changing weather and co could end up freezing the game and even crashing it!
flight control issues:
starting with the horribly buggy autopilot buttons: engaging a function cannot be disengaged easily later, vertical speed is strange, that the button must be pressed twice and vertical speed must be inputted twice to force the plane into its ascent or descent. This is seen in all airliners including A320-Neo, B787 and B747. Sometimes (especially in B747) pitching the nose during level control is really horrible and too much! Have never seen all of this in true life and with true pilots!
disengaging the autothrottle is catastrophic, that the throttle gets back to idle! Have never seen this as well in true life!
B747 ILS is silly! After being established on the localiser, the plane suddenly and during final descent desynchronises with the localiser and G/S, that manual control is definitely a must and sometimes ending up in missed approach/overshooting runway!
LNAV is generally working good. However, a strange thing happened when I flew from EHAM to EDDF with B787, where the LNAV suddenly entered a 360° loop just after the second or third waypoint, as if it is not getting recognised. Removing the affected waypoint(s) from the FMC did not help. (is it a bug?!)
ATC is horrible!! A lot of bugs! For example, cannot request other approaches, once option selected, nothing happens! Being on IFR, ATC requests to change altitude is horribly silly!! For example, once approaching to finals, the ATC suddenly requests unexplained ascent to high levels (FL120 from 5000 ft as example) and just a few seconds later requests back again to descend back to 4600 ft. Just silly! I would prefer controlling levels myself! ATC does not synchronise with the high-altitude flight data given into the FMC! For example, when a flight is intended to be a high-altitude flight (FL350) with some waypoint(s) having FL370, ATC asks yet only to maintain an altitude of 7000 ft throughout the flight, as an example! That’s a silly function as well!
FMC is - generally speaking - not bad, but yet primitive. Cannot change a lot of parameters (like V1, VR and V2) or other thrust or take off limits. FMC does not provide the point of descent as well!

This is what I noticed so far. If you noticed some of these bugs, all of them or other bugs, please share. If you could manage to fix any of them, please share as well!

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2020-09-08T15:32:43+00:00

Fair enough? You think its fair that they took your money in exchange for a product that is not yet done? This practice didn't exist 10 years ago. But now companies think its ok to make paying customers part of their beta program. Fair would be letting me try a demo before making up my mind on weather or not I wanted to exchange money for the product. This practice should be illegal and I think many feel the same.
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2020-09-09T01:45:45+00:00

Fair enough? You think its fair that they took your money in exchange for a product that is not yet done? This practice didn't exist 10 years ago. But now companies think its ok to make paying customers part of their beta program. Fair would be letting me try a demo before making up my mind on weather or not I wanted to exchange money for the product. This practice should be illegal and I think many feel the same.

Difference is this is far more complex than other "games" that come out and it's more of a platform for the next 10 years. Nothing about it is really "game breaking". The world, sim, weather, scenery, airports, everything works minus a few minor issues I've come across. Just because a few features on the airliners are not study level (if you were expecting this, then this is unrealistic) and there are a few bugs with certain aircraft only doesn't mean it's a beta product - I mean I can see why you would think that if they were the only planes you use. I have almost zero issues while flying GA aircraft, yes some of the airliners have issues but these have far more complexity/systems and the base aircrafts are far better than what you get in other sims. Most of the issues can be worked around - I've flown plenty of long haul flights with the 787 10hrs+ and numerous smaller flights with the A320neo.

I suppose I'm being a bit more accepting of this because this is such an ambitious undertaking, and with the pandemic it's been even more difficult to develop games than it already is which I'm sure can be attributed to the issues. I've watched numerous videos with the developers, Q&A streams and it's obvious the developers are passionate about this so I'm confident the issues will be fixed over time.
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2020-09-09T17:35:20+00:00

The auto throttle in the Airbus is such a pain, i have the same issue as you, it goes on randomly, even if i have no speed set, very sad.
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2020-09-13T18:41:59+00:00

I have only flown the smaller airplanes.

If you pause the game with autopilot on then resume - nothing works and you almost always crash. the planes simply spiral to the ground.

pushing the ap btns or trying to fly manually - nothing.

Some things that also could be improved.

When you pop out the windows for the G1000 - it would be nice if the buttons to control them were present.

Replay mode needed - I echo that.

Still working on getting ILS working properly - works a charm in x-plane 11.5

sw5
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2020-09-14T00:38:07+00:00

I suppose I'm being a bit more accepting of this because this is such an ambitious undertaking, and with the pandemic it's been even more difficult to develop games than it already is which I'm sure can be attributed to the issues. I've watched numerous videos with the developers, Q&A streams and it's obvious the developers are passionate about this so I'm confident the issues will be fixed over time.

Look my friend, I would agree with you, the game is really a huge game that has a really great potential with the amazing Scenery and Graphics that I guess no developer would bring such a game for long time now. I agree with you, I give the game my support. I myself am not planning to get a refund for the time being.

But you should not compare the game to other games as the other games have also Demo versions and cost less than that of MSFS 2020. Let me ask you to get what I mean: can you drive a car if it has a faulty rear windshield wiper? Of course you can. But can you drive a car with a faulty gas pedal?!

So is the case with MSFS 2020: the bugs it has are like having faulty gas pedal, faulty brakes, etc in a car! You cannot then use your car! The bugs the game has let the game be not playable!

So I am not planning to have a refund for the time being, but if MS does not fix these "silly" bugs by their upcoming update(s) and although I really support the game for now, I would rather make use of my right of refund in case the bugs keep getting ignored as they did since alpha stage, even if I had to consult a lawyer and file a lawsuit, because I purchased the premium deluxe version and not a standard version!
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