Homegroup removed! How to get network sharing work with Windows 10 v1803.

Anonymous
2018-05-11T04:03:57+00:00

Here is short description how I get my network sharing work with Windows 10 v1803.

(I haven't never use Homegroup so I start directly from step 2.)

  1. Only for those PC's which are still using Windows 10 v1709 or older:

    Disconnect from non-existing Homegroup if you have used it.

2.1. All PC's: Check Network profile and Network discovery and Share settings

Sometimes this selection to change between Private and Public network profile is missing from Settings / Networks page. In that case profile must change by PowerShell. Right Click Windows Icon (Start button) and open PowerShell (Admin) and use following commands to get interface index number and change profile to Private (or Public):

Get-NetConnectionProfile

Set-NetConnectionProfile -InterfaceIndex <index number> -NetworkCategory Private

2.2. All PC's: Check Network Discovery and Share settings

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  1. All PC's: Set Start type to Automatic and start following services that allow PC's to be visible on Network. (Reboot.)

   Push Win Key and type "Services", locate these services.

   - Function Discovery Provider Host

   - Function Discovery Resource Publication

   - SSDP Discovery

  • UPnP Device Host

  1. Setting shares.

4.1. Check your current shares.

Open file explorer and type \localhost to address bar to see what shares are made in this computer.

![](https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/d9a66593-0cd1-499b-908f-36a6854f27c1?platform=QnA

4.2. Create new share (here I use folder "Test"). 

(Setting "Turn on sharing so anyone …" in Step 2.2.  make share for folders in C:\Users automatic.)

Folder is now shared and Network share path is: \PCNAME\Test

4.3. Safe way to share folders.

Create user account to all users on your network to whom you want to give access to shared resources.

Use same user ID and password which they have on their own computers.

Right click "Test" and open Properties and select Security tab to see current settings.

Default security settings are shown in next picture.

Those settings allow access to shared folder(s) only for those users who have user ID on that computer.

4.4.  Sharing folder "Test" to Everyone" (Very unsafe setting! Think carefully do you need to select this!)

If you want that everyone have access to that share then go to Security tab and:

  • When back to Permissions dialog select which rights you want to give to "Everyone".

Now anyone on your home network should have access to shared folders without credentials or having user account on your computer.

  1. Now when click Network on File Explorer all your PC's should be visible in Computer and Network sections.

This should be cover the essentials to sharing your data over local network. This share is not limited to C:\Users folder, every folder can be handled like shown in steps 4.

Now your PC's should visible, but if not then try to reset all network settings:

Go to Settings / Network & Internet / Status, scroll down to find "Network reset, on next window click "Reset  Now" button.

It will takes about 5 min to perform this reset and then PC reboot automatic.

When you sing in first time you get notification something like "Do you want your PC to be access by other computers", click Yes for that.

If you get error message "Windows cannot access \PC_NAME" when you try to connect shared folders then continue to step 6.

  1. There is some bug on Windows 10 1803 and because of that PC's can't always connect to each other by Name.

If you get error "\PCNAME path not found" you can solve this by adding your PC's and IP-addresses to hosts file.

6.1 New routers (or modems) may have feature to remember which IP-addresses are assign to each device, but with older routers (or modems) you have to check that your router or modem is set give predefined IP-addresses linked to each PC's MAC-address.

This way PC's will get same IP-address every time when it ask IP-address form router (or modem) DHCP-server.

There should be some kind of list of PC names with MAC addresses and given IP-addresses of each connected PC. 

Picture show that list on my router. In my case with old router I had to select manual assignment  in each line. 

6.2. Add all PC's IP-addresses and Names to hosts file (C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts). 

You can check your IP-address and PC's name by opening command prompt (CMD)

For IP-address type command: ipconfig you get line like this: IPv4 Address ………. 192.168.100.101

For PC name type command:  hostname

Write down IP-address and Name of each PC and add those to that hosts file.

To edit copy hosts file to some another location, right click it and use notepad to edit and save it. Replace original file with edited file. Because hosts file is located on system folder replace will ask administrators rights to perform it.

localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself.

# 127.0.0.1             localhost

# ::1                        localhost

192.168.100.101  PC1   # Ethernet  

   192.168.100.102  PC2   # Ethernet

   192.168.100.202  PC2   # Wi-Fi

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  1. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T10:59:31+00:00

    Homegroup is removed from Windows 10 v1803 and that's the main reason there is lots of network issues among users.

    Here is short explanation of differences between Domain and workgroup. 

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-security/workgroup-network-or-domain-network-for-small/69a4cc74-0a5b-469c-9639-ce8f7e543dd1

    For home users Network Name = PC's Names.

    To make sure both of your PC's are in Workgroup go to 

    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System, on the left select "Advanced system settings" and from opening window select tab "Computer name".

    As my example 2.1 all PC's should be using same network profile. At home you can use Private while Public is more secure to use in open networks like hotels, free Wi-Fi coffee shops ...

    Which folder from Win 7 PC you are trying to share?

    Do you have same user name on both PC's or do you try another user folder from Win 7 PC to another user in Win 10 PC?

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  2. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T17:53:00+00:00

    Homegroup is removed from Windows 10 v1803 and that's the main reason there is lots of network issues among users.

    Here is short explanation of differences between Domain and workgroup. 

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-security/workgroup-network-or-domain-network-for-small/69a4cc74-0a5b-469c-9639-ce8f7e543dd1

    For home users Network Name = PC's Names.

    To make sure both of your PC's are in Workgroup go to 

    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System, on the left select "Advanced system settings" and from opening window select tab "Computer name".

    As my example 2.1 all PC's should be using same network profile. At home you can use Private while Public is more secure to use in open networks like hotels, free Wi-Fi coffee shops ...

    Which folder from Win 7 PC you are trying to share?

    Do you have same user name on both PC's or do you try another user folder from Win 7 PC to another user in Win 10 PC?

    Thank you for persevering with me on this.

    Both machines report workgroup as "workgroup" under Computer Name.

    Both show current network Profile as Private, with Network Discovery and File & Printer Sharing on. Password is off

    User names are different for each machine. The Win 10 name was assigned by default on installation.,

    as was the PC name.

    The Win 7 folders/files I want to share all have sharing enabled and access permission for "Everyone".

    The network path for shared elements is reported as \PC name/folder/file

    Win 10 Hosts file has correct IP address and computer name for Win 7 PC

    The Win 7 PC name shows in Networks in File Explorer.

    File explorer cannot access \PC Name and network search for the Win 7 IP address gives "No Results"

    Occasionally File Explorer reports cannot find network path.

    Something in Win 7 is blocking network access to the PC that didn't block the previous Win 10 version, but I can't find what.

    Stephen

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  3. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T18:11:35+00:00

    "User names are different for each machine. The Win 10 name was assigned by default on installation., as was the PC name.

    The Win 7 folders/files I want to share all have sharing enabled and access permission for "Everyone"

    You are sharing folder from Win 7 and try to access to that with anothert user name. How about security tab? Have you check step 4.3? 

    "File explorer cannot access \PC Name and network search for the Win 7 IP address gives "No Results" Occasionally File Explorer reports cannot find network path."

    What happened if you try to use IP-address instead of PC name? Open File Explorer on Win 10 PC and type \"WIN7PC IP-address"\Share_Name? to address bar?

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  4. Anonymous
    2018-06-27T13:52:57+00:00

    I did some testing with this issue.

    Settings to All PC's:

    • All 4 services are set to start automatic to keep PC's visible
    • Hosts file restored back to original (all own changes removed)
    • IPv6 disabled from all NIC and/or Wi-Fi adapters
    • Network discovery set On
    • File and printer sharing set On
    • Public folder sharing On

    After reboot all PC's was available in File Explorer and shares were working!

    Now I have all released and preview builds (+ Win 7) set like that and testing continues, but it seem to me that disabling IPv6 was key to fix that issue.

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  5. Anonymous
    2018-06-27T15:28:32+00:00

    "User names are different for each machine. The Win 10 name was assigned by default on installation., as was the PC name.

    The Win 7 folders/files I want to share all have sharing enabled and access permission for "Everyone"

    You are sharing folder from Win 7 and try to access to that with anothert user name. How about security tab? Have you check step 4.3? 

    "File explorer cannot access \PC Name and network search for the Win 7 IP address gives "No Results" Occasionally File Explorer reports cannot find network path."

    What happened if you try to use IP-address instead of PC name? Open File Explorer on Win 10 PC and type \"WIN7PC IP-address"\Share_Name? to address bar?

    Thank you again for your help

    If I type \{Win 7 IP Address}\Share_Name? in Win10 File Explorer I get {Win 7 IP Address} exists bur Windows can't find "Share_Name". Check spelling. Just typing \{Win7 IP address} and I get "do not have permission"

    I have undone all Win 7 Network and File Share settings and then set them up again after a reboot, sticking to the instructions in your original post, but I still get the same results.

    I have also tried unchecking IPv6 in all network adapters just in case, but that didn't make any difference. My router doesn't support that protocol.

    The Win 10 adapter properties shows Domain Name "Home" but this doesn't show anywhere in Win 7. It also shows "connected to internet and unknown network".

    All the services in Win 7 are set up as per your instructions, but I notice several other services that appear to relate to networks are not running, but I haven't changed anything since I don't know what they are.

    I assume it is correct that the C:\ drive (Windows OS) is not shared.

    In view of the problems I had installing the 1803 update, I am loathe to revert to the previous version assuming that is even possible.

    As the Win 10 PC connects by WiFi to an access point and the Win 7 PC is connected direct by ethernet they have different network names, could that be an issue with 1803? Both machines are set up as private (home) networks. The Win 7 PC does not have WiFi.

    Stephen

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