Homegroup removed! How to get network sharing work with Windows 10 v1803.

Anonymous
2018-05-11T04:03:57+00:00

Here is short description how I get my network sharing work with Windows 10 v1803.

(I haven't never use Homegroup so I start directly from step 2.)

  1. Only for those PC's which are still using Windows 10 v1709 or older:

    Disconnect from non-existing Homegroup if you have used it.

2.1. All PC's: Check Network profile and Network discovery and Share settings

Sometimes this selection to change between Private and Public network profile is missing from Settings / Networks page. In that case profile must change by PowerShell. Right Click Windows Icon (Start button) and open PowerShell (Admin) and use following commands to get interface index number and change profile to Private (or Public):

Get-NetConnectionProfile

Set-NetConnectionProfile -InterfaceIndex <index number> -NetworkCategory Private

2.2. All PC's: Check Network Discovery and Share settings

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  1. All PC's: Set Start type to Automatic and start following services that allow PC's to be visible on Network. (Reboot.)

   Push Win Key and type "Services", locate these services.

   - Function Discovery Provider Host

   - Function Discovery Resource Publication

   - SSDP Discovery

  • UPnP Device Host

  1. Setting shares.

4.1. Check your current shares.

Open file explorer and type \localhost to address bar to see what shares are made in this computer.

![](https://learn-attachment.microsoft.com/api/attachments/d9a66593-0cd1-499b-908f-36a6854f27c1?platform=QnA

4.2. Create new share (here I use folder "Test"). 

(Setting "Turn on sharing so anyone …" in Step 2.2.  make share for folders in C:\Users automatic.)

Folder is now shared and Network share path is: \PCNAME\Test

4.3. Safe way to share folders.

Create user account to all users on your network to whom you want to give access to shared resources.

Use same user ID and password which they have on their own computers.

Right click "Test" and open Properties and select Security tab to see current settings.

Default security settings are shown in next picture.

Those settings allow access to shared folder(s) only for those users who have user ID on that computer.

4.4.  Sharing folder "Test" to Everyone" (Very unsafe setting! Think carefully do you need to select this!)

If you want that everyone have access to that share then go to Security tab and:

  • When back to Permissions dialog select which rights you want to give to "Everyone".

Now anyone on your home network should have access to shared folders without credentials or having user account on your computer.

  1. Now when click Network on File Explorer all your PC's should be visible in Computer and Network sections.

This should be cover the essentials to sharing your data over local network. This share is not limited to C:\Users folder, every folder can be handled like shown in steps 4.

Now your PC's should visible, but if not then try to reset all network settings:

Go to Settings / Network & Internet / Status, scroll down to find "Network reset, on next window click "Reset  Now" button.

It will takes about 5 min to perform this reset and then PC reboot automatic.

When you sing in first time you get notification something like "Do you want your PC to be access by other computers", click Yes for that.

If you get error message "Windows cannot access \PC_NAME" when you try to connect shared folders then continue to step 6.

  1. There is some bug on Windows 10 1803 and because of that PC's can't always connect to each other by Name.

If you get error "\PCNAME path not found" you can solve this by adding your PC's and IP-addresses to hosts file.

6.1 New routers (or modems) may have feature to remember which IP-addresses are assign to each device, but with older routers (or modems) you have to check that your router or modem is set give predefined IP-addresses linked to each PC's MAC-address.

This way PC's will get same IP-address every time when it ask IP-address form router (or modem) DHCP-server.

There should be some kind of list of PC names with MAC addresses and given IP-addresses of each connected PC. 

Picture show that list on my router. In my case with old router I had to select manual assignment  in each line. 

6.2. Add all PC's IP-addresses and Names to hosts file (C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts). 

You can check your IP-address and PC's name by opening command prompt (CMD)

For IP-address type command: ipconfig you get line like this: IPv4 Address ………. 192.168.100.101

For PC name type command:  hostname

Write down IP-address and Name of each PC and add those to that hosts file.

To edit copy hosts file to some another location, right click it and use notepad to edit and save it. Replace original file with edited file. Because hosts file is located on system folder replace will ask administrators rights to perform it.

localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself.

# 127.0.0.1             localhost

# ::1                        localhost

192.168.100.101  PC1   # Ethernet  

   192.168.100.102  PC2   # Ethernet

   192.168.100.202  PC2   # Wi-Fi

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  1. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T17:53:00+00:00

    Homegroup is removed from Windows 10 v1803 and that's the main reason there is lots of network issues among users.

    Here is short explanation of differences between Domain and workgroup. 

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-security/workgroup-network-or-domain-network-for-small/69a4cc74-0a5b-469c-9639-ce8f7e543dd1

    For home users Network Name = PC's Names.

    To make sure both of your PC's are in Workgroup go to 

    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System, on the left select "Advanced system settings" and from opening window select tab "Computer name".

    As my example 2.1 all PC's should be using same network profile. At home you can use Private while Public is more secure to use in open networks like hotels, free Wi-Fi coffee shops ...

    Which folder from Win 7 PC you are trying to share?

    Do you have same user name on both PC's or do you try another user folder from Win 7 PC to another user in Win 10 PC?

    Thank you for persevering with me on this.

    Both machines report workgroup as "workgroup" under Computer Name.

    Both show current network Profile as Private, with Network Discovery and File & Printer Sharing on. Password is off

    User names are different for each machine. The Win 10 name was assigned by default on installation.,

    as was the PC name.

    The Win 7 folders/files I want to share all have sharing enabled and access permission for "Everyone".

    The network path for shared elements is reported as \PC name/folder/file

    Win 10 Hosts file has correct IP address and computer name for Win 7 PC

    The Win 7 PC name shows in Networks in File Explorer.

    File explorer cannot access \PC Name and network search for the Win 7 IP address gives "No Results"

    Occasionally File Explorer reports cannot find network path.

    Something in Win 7 is blocking network access to the PC that didn't block the previous Win 10 version, but I can't find what.

    Stephen

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  2. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T10:59:31+00:00

    Homegroup is removed from Windows 10 v1803 and that's the main reason there is lots of network issues among users.

    Here is short explanation of differences between Domain and workgroup. 

    https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-security/workgroup-network-or-domain-network-for-small/69a4cc74-0a5b-469c-9639-ce8f7e543dd1

    For home users Network Name = PC's Names.

    To make sure both of your PC's are in Workgroup go to 

    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System, on the left select "Advanced system settings" and from opening window select tab "Computer name".

    As my example 2.1 all PC's should be using same network profile. At home you can use Private while Public is more secure to use in open networks like hotels, free Wi-Fi coffee shops ...

    Which folder from Win 7 PC you are trying to share?

    Do you have same user name on both PC's or do you try another user folder from Win 7 PC to another user in Win 10 PC?

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  3. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T10:01:18+00:00

    "You do not have permission to access" (File Explorer)"

    This indicate some issues with (share or) security settings in Win 7 PC.

    I agree that seems like the problem. But since all was fine until the Win 10 update It must be something specific with v1803 that needs a change in Win 7 settings. I am sure I have all the share and security settings in Win 7 that you have recommended, but I must be missing something.

    I don't understand the concept of domains, network names and workgroups. The PCs seem to have a variety of names in the different info and settings screens such as MSHomenetwork, Home, workgroup etc.

    How do I identify the network that the Win 7 PC thinks it belongs to, and then tell the Win 10 machine to connect to that network?

    Please excuse my ignorance.

    Stephen

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  4. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T09:18:34+00:00

    "You do not have permission to access" (File Explorer)"

    This indicate some issues with (share or) security settings in Win 7 PC.

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  5. Anonymous
    2018-06-26T09:02:03+00:00

    Which computer has the share, win10 or win7? How much have you done to remedy the issue? Are you using SMB1? It sounds like some of the steps may have not been followed.

    I have a Surface Pro 4 running Windows 10 1803 build 17134.112 and a PC running Win7 SP1. Both 64 bit.

    Win 7 PC ethernet to Router

    Router ethernet to Printer

    Router ethernet/powerline to Access Point

    Access Point Wifi to Surface Pro.

    Prior to Win 1803 update I had full access to all files on both machines.

    I have double checked all my settings against Pauli O's guides for both machines, including Hosts file amendment.

    Now the Win 7 machine can see the Win 10 and share files on the Win 10 machine. (File Explorer)

    The Win 10 Machine can see and print to the network printer, and ping the Win 7 machine.

    The Win 10 Machine can see the Win7 machine but cannot see any of the files or folders. "You do not have permission to access" (File Explorer)

    The Win 10 Wifi adapter properties show connection to internet and connection to unknown network.

    Enabling SMB1 on the Win 10 machine made no difference. SMB not an available option on Win 7.

    Disabling antivirus (Kaspersky) on Win 7 machine made no difference.

    Old Homegroup disabled on Win7 machine.

    Entering Win 7 IP address in Win 10 search gives "page cannot be found" (Internet Explorer)

    Direct Win 10 connection to the router by WiFi  gives the same results.

    Stephen.

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