Windows Update - How will it change your system?

Anonymous
2016-10-14T16:11:13+00:00

You need to make a decision about where you want to be with your system.

My advice is to change the Windows Update (WU) setting to never.

It really depends on where you want to be with your Windows 7 system.

Woody Leonhard has described the situation something like this.  Note, I am using my own words here and describing it from my own perspective:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3128983/microsoft-windows/how-to-prepare-for-the-windows-781-patchocalypse.html

Group A:  Roll over and just let MS install what ever they wish on your computer and just don't worry about privacy and the spyware they will install.  With this option you leave WU as Delayed start, and set the WU setting at Recommended.  This is the easy way and requires no effort or concentration.  You just let happen what will.  This is essentially what you have with a Windows 10 system.

Group B:  Refuse to accept any updates except Security ones.  In that case you follow my initial recommendation and leave WU set at Never.  You get the Security only updates from the "catalog".   There is risk here in B.  You are trusting that MS will not put anything in that group that does things you do not want done. A sort of level of trust in MS that I am not sure they deserve.   Keep in mind that they have done the same thing with this set of updates they did in the main one.  It is all one agglomeration of whatever number of security updates they decide to put in it. 

Group C (AKA W): Shut down WU permanently and never again accept a Windows Update.  This group feels that the risk of MS changing their machine in unacceptable ways or even bricking it is greater than the risk of a hacker breaking in because some security patch was not installed.   I suspect that most people who even think about this topic will opt for this.  However since most people think of their computer like a potato peeler, they will not even think about this and things will just happen without them even knowing.  They will be Group A and won't even know it.

I am in Group W and would like to be in Group B.   It depends on whether I can find a satisfactory way for my 150 or so client machines to be updated.  They are average Joes and Janes.

Note that this may not apply to NON-Windows updates such as Office.  I am not sure how you can be in group B or W and do this, but I am working on it.

UPDATE November 19, 2016:

It now appears that B is an impractical strategy for 99% of users.  And, here is the reason why:  When an error is made in a security-only update, if the error turns out not to have a security affect, it may be corrected in a non-security update.  In that case if you were following B strategy, you would be left with an un-corrected defective update installed on your computer.  If you were extremely diligent and knew about it, you may be able to get the correction in specific cases.  This would entail an extreme amount of diligence that few would be willing or able to provide.

The new rollup style of updates that Microsoft is now providing to what we would call Group A, which include all kinds of updates (security and non-security), are cumulative.  That means if you miss a month or even more, it will not matter because by installing the latest month's rollup, you would be up to date.

NOTE well, that Security-only updates are NOT cumulative.  Which means if you miss a month, you may never get the missed updates.

So one strategy that you may wish to consider is following Group C, but still updating .net and Microsoft Office through Windows Update, but installing no Windows updates at all.  It would be advisable in this case that you stop using Internet Explorer because you would not be getting those updates, but instead use an alternative browser.

Then, after following this strategy for some time, if things take a turn for the worse, and you decide you made the wrong choice (Group C with .net an Office updates), you can easily shift to A by simply using the latest offered Rollup offered in Windows Update.

So, as things have evolved, it looks like the vast majority have really only two choices:  A as described above or C (modified as described above).  The good news is that if you follow the modified C strategy, you have a way back to the Microsoft way, that is easy to implement.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-10-18T17:15:43+00:00

     

    Does anyone think it would be illegal to try and design some software that would break a Windows Update package into pieces so that only certain "pieces" could then be installed by one of us?

    I don't think it would be illegal.....I'm absolutely certain it would be illegal.  And you'd get the chance to know Microsoft's legal dept. very well.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-10-18T21:29:12+00:00

    At the present, I tend to lean toward your way of thinking.

    But I also think that there has to be some limit to how far any company can go in modifying a software package we bought and agreed to not to mess with while we were using it.  Consumers have earned some rights over the years, even in that great land for entrepreneurs called the U. S. of A., where, by the way, I did my draft duty many years ago to defend the nation's entrepreneurs, among many of the citizens of the country. (Member of the VFW for decades, I am.)

    Has anyone ever seen a court ruling in any country that limited a software company's rights in that respect?

    I mean, when I bought Windows 7 I had control over individual updates, except for those that are covered in that excerpt I copied in my post at the top of page 5, and I think we can even remove that single update after it is installed.

    Now this company changes the rules, so to speak, in quite a drastic manner.

    You're gooing to state with conviction no judge on this planet, or no lawmaking body, would stop that?

    By the way, from the engineering point of view, why won't we be able to undo certain changes in the registry to get rid of pieces of an update we don't want?

    It is not illegal right now to play around in the registry, is it?

    Why would it suddenly become illegal to play around in the registry to achieve the ends being discussed in these recent posts -- getting rid of updates we did not want?

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-10-18T21:56:20+00:00

    Can still pick and choose from MS Updates in Windows 7.

    Just set the update settings to Notify with or without Download.

    Then User can check the ones to omit or not install. Now or later.

    Can even Hide them from view. And can see the Hidden ones anytime -

    ie Skype if not have phone.

    But need to turn OFF the Auto Download and Install setting.

    Just be sure to install the ones that fix a hacker opening in some

    application or piece of Windows.

    Or must rely on a good AntiVirus and firewall working.

    And be safe browsing.

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-10-18T22:05:03+00:00

    Actually, palm50, that is the point we are discussing -- changes the company has made.  They are bundling a certain group of updates together and it seems it may be a whole bunch harder for us, the customer, to be selective.

    The company is stopping the offering of individual updates.  Just offering packages.  And they are Christmas packages some of us might not want under our tree.

    Me, I'd rather not have to throw my tree away to keep the packages from showing up under the tree in that manner.

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-10-19T05:29:07+00:00

    At the present, I tend to lean toward your way of thinking.

    But I also think that there has to be some limit to how far any company can go in modifying a software package we bought and agreed to not to mess with while we were using it.  Consumers have earned some rights over the years, even in that great land for entrepreneurs called the U. S. of A., where, by the way, I did my draft duty many years ago to defend the nation's entrepreneurs, among many of the citizens of the country. (Member of the VFW for decades, I am.)

    Has anyone ever seen a court ruling in any country that limited a software company's rights in that respect?

    I mean, when I bought Windows 7 I had control over individual updates, except for those that are covered in that excerpt I copied in my post at the top of page 5, and I think we can even remove that single update after it is installed.

    Now this company changes the rules, so to speak, in quite a drastic manner.

    You're gooing to state with conviction no judge on this planet, or no lawmaking body, would stop that?

    By the way, from the engineering point of view, why won't we be able to undo certain changes in the registry to get rid of pieces of an update we don't want?

    It is not illegal right now to play around in the registry, is it?

    Why would it suddenly become illegal to play around in the registry to achieve the ends being discussed in these recent posts -- getting rid of updates we did not want?

    It is not illegal to remove an update using Registry modifications, however, Windows just re-installs them, so it's pointless.

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