Windows Update - How will it change your system?

Anonymous
2016-10-14T16:11:13+00:00

You need to make a decision about where you want to be with your system.

My advice is to change the Windows Update (WU) setting to never.

It really depends on where you want to be with your Windows 7 system.

Woody Leonhard has described the situation something like this.  Note, I am using my own words here and describing it from my own perspective:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3128983/microsoft-windows/how-to-prepare-for-the-windows-781-patchocalypse.html

Group A:  Roll over and just let MS install what ever they wish on your computer and just don't worry about privacy and the spyware they will install.  With this option you leave WU as Delayed start, and set the WU setting at Recommended.  This is the easy way and requires no effort or concentration.  You just let happen what will.  This is essentially what you have with a Windows 10 system.

Group B:  Refuse to accept any updates except Security ones.  In that case you follow my initial recommendation and leave WU set at Never.  You get the Security only updates from the "catalog".   There is risk here in B.  You are trusting that MS will not put anything in that group that does things you do not want done. A sort of level of trust in MS that I am not sure they deserve.   Keep in mind that they have done the same thing with this set of updates they did in the main one.  It is all one agglomeration of whatever number of security updates they decide to put in it. 

Group C (AKA W): Shut down WU permanently and never again accept a Windows Update.  This group feels that the risk of MS changing their machine in unacceptable ways or even bricking it is greater than the risk of a hacker breaking in because some security patch was not installed.   I suspect that most people who even think about this topic will opt for this.  However since most people think of their computer like a potato peeler, they will not even think about this and things will just happen without them even knowing.  They will be Group A and won't even know it.

I am in Group W and would like to be in Group B.   It depends on whether I can find a satisfactory way for my 150 or so client machines to be updated.  They are average Joes and Janes.

Note that this may not apply to NON-Windows updates such as Office.  I am not sure how you can be in group B or W and do this, but I am working on it.

UPDATE November 19, 2016:

It now appears that B is an impractical strategy for 99% of users.  And, here is the reason why:  When an error is made in a security-only update, if the error turns out not to have a security affect, it may be corrected in a non-security update.  In that case if you were following B strategy, you would be left with an un-corrected defective update installed on your computer.  If you were extremely diligent and knew about it, you may be able to get the correction in specific cases.  This would entail an extreme amount of diligence that few would be willing or able to provide.

The new rollup style of updates that Microsoft is now providing to what we would call Group A, which include all kinds of updates (security and non-security), are cumulative.  That means if you miss a month or even more, it will not matter because by installing the latest month's rollup, you would be up to date.

NOTE well, that Security-only updates are NOT cumulative.  Which means if you miss a month, you may never get the missed updates.

So one strategy that you may wish to consider is following Group C, but still updating .net and Microsoft Office through Windows Update, but installing no Windows updates at all.  It would be advisable in this case that you stop using Internet Explorer because you would not be getting those updates, but instead use an alternative browser.

Then, after following this strategy for some time, if things take a turn for the worse, and you decide you made the wrong choice (Group C with .net an Office updates), you can easily shift to A by simply using the latest offered Rollup offered in Windows Update.

So, as things have evolved, it looks like the vast majority have really only two choices:  A as described above or C (modified as described above).  The good news is that if you follow the modified C strategy, you have a way back to the Microsoft way, that is easy to implement.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-12-30T19:12:05+00:00

    PLEASE, RIGHT-click on Computer, choose Properties.  A windows will pop up.  Read it.  Verify that yours has had SP1 installed.  If it does not explicitly say SP1, it has not.

    Also check that it is 32 or 64 bit.

    Also, when you are going through the Solution process, please use the correct links to download the correct patches.

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-12-30T12:36:12+00:00

    I have been following "how to update Windows 7 " threads for some while - with success on one laptop and failure on the other.

    Now that one laptop is working properly and I had read the A B & C options  I ventured to Windows Updates but did not install anything as I was not confident enough to select.  This thread makes a little more sense to me and I will look at the "offers" again.  one roll up .NET Framework, (which I guess is OK?) one security for XML  SP3 KB2758694 and one update windows 7 KB3150513.

    I had used Microsoft Windows PCs for years and need it to run Quickbooks accounting. I confess that most of my work is now done on a Mac mini but I can't run QB.  We tried Parallels to run both Windows and Mac OS but they squabbled 

    so opted for Windows 7 laptop. I am not paying an extortionate monthly fee for QB online which I guess is where Microsoft is going along with Adobe and others.

    Purchased a refurbished Dell which had been upgraded from Vista to 7 Home premium 64 bit  I have checked this as instructed many times and it states 64bit.   However, as this is the machine I cannot update I think there are issues with the upgrade- maybe a Heinz 57?  Many of us have reported that the downloads have "not appropriate or applicable" notices and the solution stops there and then. 

    I thank CT and ElderN for all the assistance you have given in this matter- I have one working Windows 7 laptop.

    But- I do love my Mac!!

    SuziBell

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-12-30T03:44:58+00:00

    I know you are right in the differences between the two regarding hardware/software. Not sure when Microsoft started changing tactics but they certainly did by trying to force Win10 on users. New CEO, perhaps.

    Vista wasn't forced on XP users and clearly Win7 wasn't forced on Vista users.

    And even after this Win10 debacle, they haven't learned anything. This Windows Update change proves that, i.e. their way or the highway. Too arrogant for my taste. Greed, pride and arrogancy is not a winning combination.

    Your last sentence speaks volumes.  And that is the biggest difference between Apple and Microsoft.

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-12-30T02:42:06+00:00

    There are lots of downsides to Apple products.  You have to remember that fundamentally, Apple is hardware company and Microsoft a software company.  Both are trying to be more like the other.

    Apple hardware is deigned to lock you in and lock out competitors.  Apple has a fenced-in strategy.   Microsoft Windows saw its success and the source of its fortune from an open architecture, while Apple had a closed one.  Expect to pay substantially more for Apple hardware.  It is touted as superior, but is not.  Same components.

    Apple is a spymaster too, but very cool about it, and has year more experience doing it.

    The big difference is that Apple actually cares about customers.

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-12-30T02:17:14+00:00

    You can uninstall the rollups.  I would not uninstall the .net updates nor the Office updates.

    Thank you very much. Boy, you have been so busy. Hope you had a nice Christmas and wishing you a very Happy New Year!!

     I know some users are talking about going to Apple. I read that some of the newer Macs have soldered the RAM to the motherboard and users are not happy campers. Forgot which models they do that to, but 2012 was the last that you could add RAM.

    Take care,

    Redbear

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