Windows Update - How will it change your system?

Anonymous
2016-10-14T16:11:13+00:00

You need to make a decision about where you want to be with your system.

My advice is to change the Windows Update (WU) setting to never.

It really depends on where you want to be with your Windows 7 system.

Woody Leonhard has described the situation something like this.  Note, I am using my own words here and describing it from my own perspective:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3128983/microsoft-windows/how-to-prepare-for-the-windows-781-patchocalypse.html

Group A:  Roll over and just let MS install what ever they wish on your computer and just don't worry about privacy and the spyware they will install.  With this option you leave WU as Delayed start, and set the WU setting at Recommended.  This is the easy way and requires no effort or concentration.  You just let happen what will.  This is essentially what you have with a Windows 10 system.

Group B:  Refuse to accept any updates except Security ones.  In that case you follow my initial recommendation and leave WU set at Never.  You get the Security only updates from the "catalog".   There is risk here in B.  You are trusting that MS will not put anything in that group that does things you do not want done. A sort of level of trust in MS that I am not sure they deserve.   Keep in mind that they have done the same thing with this set of updates they did in the main one.  It is all one agglomeration of whatever number of security updates they decide to put in it. 

Group C (AKA W): Shut down WU permanently and never again accept a Windows Update.  This group feels that the risk of MS changing their machine in unacceptable ways or even bricking it is greater than the risk of a hacker breaking in because some security patch was not installed.   I suspect that most people who even think about this topic will opt for this.  However since most people think of their computer like a potato peeler, they will not even think about this and things will just happen without them even knowing.  They will be Group A and won't even know it.

I am in Group W and would like to be in Group B.   It depends on whether I can find a satisfactory way for my 150 or so client machines to be updated.  They are average Joes and Janes.

Note that this may not apply to NON-Windows updates such as Office.  I am not sure how you can be in group B or W and do this, but I am working on it.

UPDATE November 19, 2016:

It now appears that B is an impractical strategy for 99% of users.  And, here is the reason why:  When an error is made in a security-only update, if the error turns out not to have a security affect, it may be corrected in a non-security update.  In that case if you were following B strategy, you would be left with an un-corrected defective update installed on your computer.  If you were extremely diligent and knew about it, you may be able to get the correction in specific cases.  This would entail an extreme amount of diligence that few would be willing or able to provide.

The new rollup style of updates that Microsoft is now providing to what we would call Group A, which include all kinds of updates (security and non-security), are cumulative.  That means if you miss a month or even more, it will not matter because by installing the latest month's rollup, you would be up to date.

NOTE well, that Security-only updates are NOT cumulative.  Which means if you miss a month, you may never get the missed updates.

So one strategy that you may wish to consider is following Group C, but still updating .net and Microsoft Office through Windows Update, but installing no Windows updates at all.  It would be advisable in this case that you stop using Internet Explorer because you would not be getting those updates, but instead use an alternative browser.

Then, after following this strategy for some time, if things take a turn for the worse, and you decide you made the wrong choice (Group C with .net an Office updates), you can easily shift to A by simply using the latest offered Rollup offered in Windows Update.

So, as things have evolved, it looks like the vast majority have really only two choices:  A as described above or C (modified as described above).  The good news is that if you follow the modified C strategy, you have a way back to the Microsoft way, that is easy to implement.

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  1. Anonymous
    2017-07-01T20:12:28+00:00

    Just about the best guidance you can find is from Woody Leonhard.  Become a regular visitor at www.askwoody.com  If you follow his advice, you would not be applying any updates right now.

    If you have decided to be in Group B, you must know that you should not apply any "update for windows" update.

    Windows Update in June has been just about the worst Windows Update months yet. 

    My own policy is to apply ONLY security ONLY updates.  I will not apply any non-security Windows Update that was issued after Dec 31, 2014 -- the date that Windows 7 development ended.  Any non-security updates issued after that are most likely ones to make your system more like Windows 10 and serve as part of Microsoft's massive data collection system.

    There are exceptions to my practice:

    I do apply .net updates

    I do apply Microsoft Office updates

    I will not apply any updates until Woody has posted MS-Defcon rating 3 or higher.  Right now it is at 1.

    One of Woody's advisors has posted an easy to follow guide on Group B updating:

    https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/2000003-ongoing-list-of-group-b-monthly-updates-for-win7-and-8-1/

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  2. Anonymous
    2017-07-01T20:00:19+00:00

    I'm currently in Group B and am running Norton Internet Security of my machine.  

    Earlier today I installed the patch for Win 7 Update function.  After downloading and installing the 3 Important files, I am left with an assortment of optional files (mostly Update for Windows 7 files and a couple of .NET Framework files).  

    Do you recommend that any of these be installed?

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  3. Anonymous
    2017-06-01T13:40:24+00:00

    A second question.  When I click on "Install Now" in the image below, what is going to happen?  Will it install Windows 7 Service Pack 1 by default?  

    It will auto-update the Windows Update Client. You don't want default version 7.6.7600.320. Ignore the prompt, close the Window, install KB3138612 and reboot.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3138612

    Regards, VZ

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  4. Anonymous
    2017-06-01T12:52:18+00:00

    I do not use links like that, so I cannot see what you are referring to.

    Group B has risks.  The major risk is the possibility and indeed probability that MS will one day issue a fix to a security update in its non-security stream.  Thereby leaving a defective update installed. 

    I have been following the B stream as outlined in that askwoody website I referred to earlier.  So far, everything appears to be good.  I am doubtful that B will continue to be practical.  At some point in time, I will have to stop Windows Updating and take my chances.  I am not all that fearful of that.

    The odds of MS turning my great Win7 machine into something I do not want using Windows Update are 100%.  The odds of a hacker ruining my system in some permanent way are quite small.

    One worst case scenario is I can always at some point join the MS Windows Update process that they want me to use.  Because those updates are cumulative, just one update cycle would bring my system inline with their design.

    However, consider this:

    • Win7 is very stable.  My 150 client PC group has seen no problem at all in at least a year. I read accounts of Win7 stability all the time.
    • MS is a hollowed out shell.  The really good talent that created Windows is long gone.  What is left is a lot of incompetency that continues to shovel defective Windows Updates out the door, thereby threatening the stability we crave.  WU used to be a trusted source for driver updates. Today, I strongly recommend you do not even consider a driver update from WU.
    • I am not certain that there is something of a frantic nature of those who push these updates as critical.  At least part of that drive is questionable in my mind
    • The trend to hacking has moved from kids being disruptive to criminal gangs targeting specific organizations.  The average Joe like you and I are unlikely targets
    • I protect myself with frequent backups and a good image of my base system.  I can re-build my system in 6 hours with little lost.
    • I use ANTIVIRUS only security products.  I refuse to use or allow my clients to use SECURITY products like Kaspersky.  I have such a product installed on my 150 client computers and it has been installed for the last 3 years.  Not a single instance of infection.
    • Win7 has been having security fixes applied for a lot of years.  It is tempting to think a high percentage of security issues have been fixed by now.
    • The current offering from Microsoft is not Windows.  At least not anything like any Windows I want or need.  Consequently Win7 is a sunset product.  I intend to continue to use Win7 until I cannot any longer for whatever reason.  When that happens, I will likely replace it with a Smart Phone.

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  5. Anonymous
    2017-06-01T08:23:56+00:00

    Many thanks for the prompt response @Canadian Tech.  I definitely want to opt for Group B - which of course will will mean lots of hard work and extra vigilance.  

    I'm still hesitating - and before I start, am going to ask probably a very dumb question.  What is the absolute worst scenario for not updating Windows 7?  I'm using it right now.  It works beautiful.  It's fast.  I haven't experienced a single functionality problem yet.  My needs are uncomplicated and basic.  For hardware I have a simple Samsung printer.  My old Altec speakers are working perfect.  Everything works well from the get go.  

    I know updates are very important for security and that Kaspersky Anti-Virus and MalWareBytes are probably not sufficient.  Can one get away with not loading any updates?  

    A second question.  When I click on "Install Now" in the image below, what is going to happen?  Will it install Windows 7 Service Pack 1 by default?  

    http://i.imgur.com/qajGLkp.png

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