Windows Update - How will it change your system?

Anonymous
2016-10-14T16:11:13+00:00

You need to make a decision about where you want to be with your system.

My advice is to change the Windows Update (WU) setting to never.

It really depends on where you want to be with your Windows 7 system.

Woody Leonhard has described the situation something like this.  Note, I am using my own words here and describing it from my own perspective:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3128983/microsoft-windows/how-to-prepare-for-the-windows-781-patchocalypse.html

Group A:  Roll over and just let MS install what ever they wish on your computer and just don't worry about privacy and the spyware they will install.  With this option you leave WU as Delayed start, and set the WU setting at Recommended.  This is the easy way and requires no effort or concentration.  You just let happen what will.  This is essentially what you have with a Windows 10 system.

Group B:  Refuse to accept any updates except Security ones.  In that case you follow my initial recommendation and leave WU set at Never.  You get the Security only updates from the "catalog".   There is risk here in B.  You are trusting that MS will not put anything in that group that does things you do not want done. A sort of level of trust in MS that I am not sure they deserve.   Keep in mind that they have done the same thing with this set of updates they did in the main one.  It is all one agglomeration of whatever number of security updates they decide to put in it. 

Group C (AKA W): Shut down WU permanently and never again accept a Windows Update.  This group feels that the risk of MS changing their machine in unacceptable ways or even bricking it is greater than the risk of a hacker breaking in because some security patch was not installed.   I suspect that most people who even think about this topic will opt for this.  However since most people think of their computer like a potato peeler, they will not even think about this and things will just happen without them even knowing.  They will be Group A and won't even know it.

I am in Group W and would like to be in Group B.   It depends on whether I can find a satisfactory way for my 150 or so client machines to be updated.  They are average Joes and Janes.

Note that this may not apply to NON-Windows updates such as Office.  I am not sure how you can be in group B or W and do this, but I am working on it.

UPDATE November 19, 2016:

It now appears that B is an impractical strategy for 99% of users.  And, here is the reason why:  When an error is made in a security-only update, if the error turns out not to have a security affect, it may be corrected in a non-security update.  In that case if you were following B strategy, you would be left with an un-corrected defective update installed on your computer.  If you were extremely diligent and knew about it, you may be able to get the correction in specific cases.  This would entail an extreme amount of diligence that few would be willing or able to provide.

The new rollup style of updates that Microsoft is now providing to what we would call Group A, which include all kinds of updates (security and non-security), are cumulative.  That means if you miss a month or even more, it will not matter because by installing the latest month's rollup, you would be up to date.

NOTE well, that Security-only updates are NOT cumulative.  Which means if you miss a month, you may never get the missed updates.

So one strategy that you may wish to consider is following Group C, but still updating .net and Microsoft Office through Windows Update, but installing no Windows updates at all.  It would be advisable in this case that you stop using Internet Explorer because you would not be getting those updates, but instead use an alternative browser.

Then, after following this strategy for some time, if things take a turn for the worse, and you decide you made the wrong choice (Group C with .net an Office updates), you can easily shift to A by simply using the latest offered Rollup offered in Windows Update.

So, as things have evolved, it looks like the vast majority have really only two choices:  A as described above or C (modified as described above).  The good news is that if you follow the modified C strategy, you have a way back to the Microsoft way, that is easy to implement.

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  1. Anonymous
    2017-07-24T21:54:31+00:00

    some people do recommend to install KB3125574 (corrective update from May 2016) after KB3020369 but before KB3172605 (corrective update from July 2016). It makes sense to me as KB3172605 was not cumulative yet. What's your opinion?

    No way.

    A hype has been created about KB3125574, the Convenience Rollup Update of May 2016, considered a fix for the General Update Search issue by many, but mistakenly so. The purpose of KB3125574 is a totally different one.

    A hype has been - and had to be - created about KB3172605 being a fix for the General Update Search issue for including an improved version of the Windows Update Client.

    Due to the Windows 7 General Update Search issue being ended by Microsoft at the source in mid-January 2017, KB3172605 has lost its indispensability. It has lost its indispensability even more due to even newer versions of the Windows Update Client being available.

    The only actual issue left at Windows Update is an outdated 2014 default version of the Update Client being distributed to any fresh installation of Windows 7 - version 7.6.7600.320.

    Installing any available later version of the Windows Update Client will solve the issue, which is very different from last year's situation when only KB3172605 solved it.

    Available later versions include KB3138612, KB4015546 and any iteration of the Security Quality Monthly Rollup at least as recent as April 2017.

    Regards, VZ

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  2. Anonymous
    2017-07-24T16:56:26+00:00

    That newer update may well work well.  I really don't know because I have not tried.  I use KB3172605 consistently.  I used it twice in the past 2 days re-building systems.  Works just fine. 

    As for the Microsoft.com added to the IE compatibility list, I use that specifically to solve the problem of adding "other Microsoft updates" in Windows Update.  In some cases, you cannot select that until you make that change.  I do not know if it affects other things.

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  3. Anonymous
    2017-07-24T16:30:18+00:00

    ...

    1. Once Windows 7 SP1 is installed, install the following:
    2. KB3020369 Win-7 32 https://download.microsoft.com/download/C/0/8/C0823F43-BFE9-4147-9B0A-35769CBBE6B0/Windows6.1-KB3020369-x86.msu
    3. Win-7 64 bit https://download.microsoft.com/download/5/D/0/5D0821EB-A92D-4CA2-9020-EC41D56B074F/Windows6.1-KB3020369-x64.msu
    4. KB3172605 Win-7 32 bit, https://download.microsoft.com/download/C/D/5/CD5DE7B2-E857-4BD4-AA9C-6B30C3E1735A/Windows6.1-KB3172605-x86.msu
    5. Win-7 64 bit, https://download.microsoft.com/download/5/6/0/560504D4-F91A-4DEB-867F-C713F7821374/Windows6.1-KB3172605-x64.msu
    6. Open Windows Update, change Windows Update setting to Never check for updates
    7. Do not install anything else at this point – NOTHING
    8. Start the update process.  It is likely to include about 200. It will take some time.
    9. Once you have a list of updates, you need to prevent certain specific updates from being installed to prevent Windows 10 from taking over.
    10. Click once on each Update that is NOT labeled SECURITY and check the date of issue on the right.  If that date is after January 1, 2015, Right-click on it and hide.
    11. Click install updates and wait for it to finish.  Restart when asked to do so.
    12. After re-start is complete and you see a desktop, start Task manager – Right-click on task bar. Look at the % at the bottom.  Do NOT attempt to use the computer for any purpose until you see that % fall to and stay at 10% or less.  Windows Update is still working and has a lot of work to do.
    13. Keep running Windows Update again and again till it offers no new ones.
    14. Start Internet Explorer, click the gear (upper right) in IE11 and select Compatibility settings and enter Microsoft.com in the list
    15. Start Windows Update and click the link to include updates for other Microsoft software.
    16. Run Windows Update again and again until you are satisfied you have all the updates you want.
    17. After the install is complete, check Device Manager. Type device in the text box above the start globe when you click it and choose Device manager from the list to find out if Win7 was able to supply the drivers you need.  You should get drivers only from the maker of your computer or Intel.  Its best to get all the drivers at this point.  Win7 install may have installed all of them or nearly. Do NOT use any of those driver download sites.  They are all bogus, have bad drivers, and install malware.
    18. Install your Microsoft Office software and then run Windows Update again and again till no more are proposed.
    19. Defragment your drive.  Type defragment in the text box above the start globe when you click it once.  Choose the Defragmentation link.  Wait till it completes all passes..
    20. Next, you will need to take steps to prevent Windows 10 from taking over.  First step is to change the Windows Update setting to NEVER. Second step is to download and install GWX Control Panel.

    Hi Canadian Tech,

    some people do recommend to install KB3125574 (corrective update from May 2016) after KB3020369 but before KB3172605 (corrective update from July 2016). It makes sense to me as KB3172605 was not cumulative yet. What's your opinion?

    Furthermore, I notice you mention like some others to add the microsoft.com domain to the IE Compatibility List. I have never done this and I was always able to fix WUA issues. Do you recommend that step for other purpose?

    Thanks to clarify and share your knowledge

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  4. Anonymous
    2017-07-24T09:46:30+00:00

    @JimWynne

    re reply to mrshdv3:  - you actually did say 'most' - you said 'many' about a subset of that 'most'

    -and yes, I would be upset about having my cheese moved - I set up and maintain other people's W10 : now I do this on a frankly amateur basis, but I do it and do it adequately enough for them to use their machines without any more difficulty than is inherent in W10.  But that is my point: W10 actually makes some things harder. And then on top of that there are the privacy issues.

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  5. Anonymous
    2017-07-01T20:17:45+00:00

    Many thanks.  I've bookmarked Woody's site.

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