KB3035583 Installing Windows 10 using Windows Update?

Windows 10 was just plain introduced wrong.  It was not offered to customers.  It was essentially forced upon innocent masses.

It was offered to customers, albeit pushed hard by Microsoft. We all have a choice!

I have three computers. One has Windows 7, the second has Windows 8.1 and the third has Windows 10 (upgraded from Windows 7). It is likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future. I chose to knowingly upgrade one computer but not the other two. How was Windows 10 forced upon me?

I have 11 months in which to decide whether to accept a free upgrade for the other two computers. How have Microsoft forced Windows 10 upon me?

Microsoft and the third parties have not found a way to work together in the interests of their customers and fight with one another, resulting in victims, not customers.

Is it Microsoft or the third parties that are responsible for this state of affairs?

Gerry, we are not very different at all.  Our objectives are very similar. 

WdBurt1 is right too.  KB3035583 is the crux of the matter.  It was (and still may be) conducted in a very under-handed manner.  The result is that a decades-long trusted tool -- Windows Update -- was misused in a dishonest way.  Not just sneaking it in, but misrepresenting what it was (is) and repetitively re-installing without limit in spite of obvious attempts by users to stop it. 

Windows 10 was just plain introduced wrong.  It was not offered to customers.  It was essentially forced upon innocent masses.   I don't know in what place you could justify that behavior.   They did not and to this day do not provide customers any way to say no.

My objectives are very similar to yours.  I am trying my best to help my clients optimize their investments in their interests. 

I have a long term great respect for what Microsoft has accomplished.  Windows is a wondrous achievement that has truly changed the world.  In history, as you well describe, Microsoft has responded to customers but only after extreme pressures.  It has never had an ear to the customer base out there and could only understand (or listen) when the screaming go so loud it could not be ignored.

Windows 7 in fact is a truly stunning achievement.  As far as I am concerned it is the gold standard.  My impression of Windows 10 is very unfavourable.  I suspect it is a better Windows 8 than 8 that should be labeled Windows 8.3, not 10.  The manner in which Win10 is being shoved on to peoples computers leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

I am optimistic that the market will tell Microsoft it has made yet another mistake.  And that Microsoft will actually hear the screams and produce a better product.  Until that happens, I will be guarding the Windows 7 frontier.

I need to add here that you are correct there are 3rd party tools, but somehow, they eventually do not work well.  Microsoft and the third parties have not found a way to work together in the interests of their customers and fight with one another, resulting in victims, not customers.  There was a day when Microsoft did not operate that way.

There may be a difference between deceit and lack of transparency, but the problem is that Microsoft's handling of KB3035583 demonstrates deceit--starting with the deceptive labeling of the update--and once you cross that line and give the customers reasons to distrust the update process, you can't plausibly explain the next transgression(s) by blaming the staff for opaque technical writing.

As I said, Microsoft needs to clean up its act.  And let's stop trying to marginalize as paranoid those individuals who have brought its anti-customer actions to light.

There is a difference between deceit and lack of transparency. The problem, for many like me, is that the Knowledge Base Articles are not written in plain English, rendering their meaning open to misinterpretation. The conspiracy theories flourish in this environment. Many detractors of Microsoft enjoy posting negative comments when they would employ their time better offering solutions.

I was not discussing KB3035583 in my earlier message. It has not been an issue for me.

In posting to the Microsoft Community Forums my intentions are to learn how to make the most of what is on offer and to share that knowledge with others. If you believe every conspiracy theory then it becomes very difficult to advance your own knowledge and to make the most of what Microsoft software has to offer.

When Microsoft get things wrong the user has always had the option to  use third party add ons or a workaround to achieve a satisfactory outcome. Consider these:

Windows XP security issues resulted in Microsoft introducing multiple security updates faced on customer feedback.

Millennium Edition and Vista resulted in Microsoft introducing better versions of Windows before they intended to.

Ribbon introduced in Office 2007 did not suit many customers' needs. Workaround is to use the Quick Access toolbar but you can purchase third party add-ons.

Lack of Start Menu in Windows 8 resulted in Microsoft providing a revised Start Menu in Windows 8.1. You can also obtain third party freeware alternatives. You can also learn to use keyboard shortcuts, which will help you greatly when using Windows 10.

Microsoft Edge could be creating new issues but you can still have Internet Explorer 11 or a third party alternative as your default browser in Windows 10.

The above created major problems for customers. I just do not see that complaining about the new Microsoft Diagnostic tool  is a real grievance when compared to the real problems created in the past. It is just the latest of a long line of such tools. Typetroubleshooting in a search box in Windows 10 and select View all and you are presented with a list of 23 Online Tools. I see this as a clear indication of how Microsoft see as the best way forward to resolve customers problems with their software, when they have so many customers expectations to satisfy.

I don't think my advice is in any way questionable.  I have a very happy and satisfied clientele who appreciate the advice and help they get.  The practices that I espouse are designed and are effective at keeping their investments useful for much longer periods than most achieve.  I take great pride in this achievement.

You raise an excellent question Gerry.  I wish I had a reasonable answer.  I have investigated.

Best I can see it there are two alternatives, Apple and Ubuntu.

Ubuntu in my appraisal is just not ready for the common person

Apple is an excellent alternative that has severe limitations in flexibility and a price differential that is quickly being reduced as demand for Windows PCs (due to the unacceptability of Windows 8) has fallen and the prices for them have risen so dramatically over the last few years.  I expect that many of my clients will be switching to Apple devices.  I do recognize that Apple does a lot of the same anti-privacy things too and is arrogant to the extreme.  Many of my Windows clients now own and use iPads extensively, and as a result use their Windows PCs much less than a few years ago.

So, the bottom line is that Windows really owns the market because it is still the best alternative.  That advantage evolved over a lot of years and is now being quickly eroded by some very bad management decisions.  For now, we can manage with Windows 7 at least through its life of another 4 years or so.  After that, we will see where the chips have fallen.

My bottom line strategy is to keep Windows 7 computers running well, while keeping the door closed as much as practical to invasive tactics that threaten those investments.

I take great comfort in knowing the IT world which I believe makes up about half the Windows marketplace is not about to bite the Windows 10 bullet.  That will leave a very heavy demand for Windows 7 support as a must for Microsoft for a long time to come.  Perhaps it will even be extended for the same reasons XP was.