KB3035583 Installing Windows 10 using Windows Update?

Anonymous
2015-04-12T11:56:46+00:00

Would you please tell me how to prevent the installation of KB3035583 in my computer and if it is already installed, how to remove it?  Also, are there other updates that we need to be concerned about that enable this behaviour?

KB3035583 now appears as an Important update in Windows Update and is checked which means it will be automatically installed if the user does not uncheck it.  If automatic update is set, it will install without intervention.

There are credible articles that say that Microsoft either has installed or will install changes to my computer that will enable Microsoft to use it as an advertising platform and then install Windows 10 without first obtaining an informed decision to do so.  I truly hope this is not true.

On behalf of my clients and their 162 Windows "consumer" computers, I must tell you that we do not grant Microsoft or any other vendor the right to do this.  When other Windows players do this, we regard it as malware and take great care to remove it.

Microsoft got to where it is today by selling Windows.  We have spent decades learning how to use Windows and billions of dollars buying Windows computers and Windows software.  We own these systems.  They are ours, not Microsoft's.

Windows Update has earned a huge trust.  We trust Microsoft to use Windows Update to keep our computers safe and secure.  When Patch Tuesday comes along we install all the updates that Microsoft says are "important." We assume those to be either plugging a security leak or fixing a software error.

We all hope Windows 10 will be something we will want.  We will carefully review and consult trusted advisors before we install Windows 10.  We have seen Windows 8 and rejected it.  Windows 8 is a bad product we did not choose.  

Automatically installing Windows 10 on our computers would be a severe abuse of a well-earned trust.  Changing our computers to enable them to become advertising platforms is also an abuse.

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  1. Anonymous
    2015-10-16T20:40:49+00:00

    Would you please tell me how to prevent the installation of KB3035583 in my computer and if it is already installed, how to remove it?  Also, are there other updates that we need to be concerned about that enable this behaviour?

    I am having more issues with this KB as well. Here is a short description of the problem from another post I had on anther site."

    "Hi just found your article while debriefing myself after a mess with a new .net 4.6 issue and want to see what you guys think or if this is just coincidence. Started 2 days or so ago when all of a sudden win 7 ult 64 bit with . Net 4.6 started to fail with errors launching any program that requires 4.0 or above. 4.6 still showing as installed but both attempts to uninstall or repair install fail with non descriptive error akin to "something went wrong". All other logs make no mention related to it. After exhaustively searching for what had changed found that last batch of updates in wsus cab2 (?) installed kb3035583 which turns out to be the Windows 10 "important" and "automatic" update to install that pesky harrasser that reminds you to reserve or start download of win 10 from ms update. Problem being that it crashed and corrupted the existing .net4.6 while at the same time setting the default minimum currently for Win 10 at 4.6 only. So it was both blocking attempts to uninstall or repair the broken .net 4.6. Hijacked existing win 7 update so that only option is to start downloading win 10 in background. Only option seems to be to totally delete Windows/system32/gwx.exe. Only then can you uninstall that update and only then can you uninstall .net 4.6. As soon as I did that and installed 4.5.2 everything is back to normal working order. I wonder how many people won't go that far or accidentally start the Win 10 download over their working win 7 os. Anyway just the nightmare I just woke up from and word of caution to others"

    So I just got off the phone with both the Home users "Answer Desk" and then MSFT Technet Technical Support and neither would confirm what the KB3035583 actually does in relation to any .net installations.

    Said I would have to pay $499 to "open a case" which is absolutely ridiculous when this is an "update" that without our knowledge was just changed from "optional" to "automatic" and will install if people aren't as tech savy. To stop it from installing one has to make sure to take Windows Update off of automatic and then every time you get a notification you need to check which updates it wants to install and manually hide that update. Once it is installed there is a whole lengthy procedure to get it removed correctly.

    As far as I can tell it does affect the .net framework so that is seems to set the .net allowable minimum on Windows 7 to .net 4.6.   So then the .net 4.6 has it's own set of issues and itself is not stable. When it inevitably has an issue comes up and gets damaged/corrupted you can no longer roll back to one of the .net 4.5 versions. Trying to run the .net 4.6 installer (any version tried so far) will either give an outright blocked installation message when you try or it will attempt to "repair" the .net 4.6 but fails every time..also nice that after it fails it gives the super helpful error message of "something went wrong"  which in my opinion should just be replaced by a picture of a middle finger for all the help that is...way to go msft..  keep trying to sneak in the back door (pun intended) with all of us who are not real keen on moving from our (previously) working Windows 7 machines to this jacked up/unstable  Windows 10 thing.

    There is a reason we are still using Windows 7 and didn't go to Windows 8. What makes you think you can force people to accept this Windows 10 nightmare by trying every sneaky method in the book? I hope more people get wind of this kind of behavior. In my case I just bought an IMac, which previously I've never even considered...so way to go Windows...made me a Mac user now.  I have a Windows 10 computer also BTW that is so messed up that immediately after doing the 20th (not kidding) "clean install" tells me I don't have "sufficient permissions" to save a .txt file to my desktop. going to have to file it in the "corporate recycling bin".....(ie: the trash) until msft can extricate their heads from their hind ends.

    To reply to the second part about other updates affected..here is a copy of the .bat file I'm now running on a daily basis.

    wusa /uninstall /kb:3083711 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3083710 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3083325 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3083324 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3075853 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3075851 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3072318 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3065988 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3065987 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3050267 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3050265 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3014460 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:3012973 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:2977759 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978 /norestart

        wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart

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  2. Anonymous
    2015-10-16T19:03:51+00:00

    I am skeptical about their claim that pre-checking the Win 10 upgrade was a mistake. 

    I share your skepticism.

    It appears Microsoft's management feels that it is easier to post an empty apology than to first ask permission (and honor the customer's choice).

    Microsoft seems desperate to increase their numbers of Windows 10 installations. Their attempts at getting Windows 10 installed (regardless of customer's choice) seem to be getting more desperate.  Perhaps too many bonuses depend upon hitting a specific percentage.

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  3. Anonymous
    2015-10-16T12:11:03+00:00

    The following statement by Microsoft is interesting.

    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/windows-10-upgrade-installing-automatically-on-some-windows-7-8-systems/

    I am skeptical about their claim that pre-checking the Win 10 upgrade was a mistake.  Was the "Get Windows 10" dialog box also a mistake?  This was the dialog box that made it appear that in order to download any of the updates, you had to click Yes to a Windows 10 download.  When I finally noticed that one optional update--Windows 10--was checked and unchecked it, the "Get Windows 10" dialog box disappeared and I was able to download several security updates normally.  So the pre-checked Win 10 download and the "Get Windows 10" dialog box were related.

    My guess is that this combination represented the latest method to "induce" users to upgrade, now that Josh Mayfield's GWX Control Panel is available.  However, it looks like someone decided that this was too blatant.  All the talk about maintaining trust in Windows Update rings pretty hollow in view of what has been happening the last few weeks, but the fact that Microsoft needs to say anything at all is a little bit of progress.

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  4. Anonymous
    2015-10-15T17:00:56+00:00

    Woody,

    Thanks for the reminder to disable the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service.

    In addition to doing that, and turning off CEIP in Office 2010, I also disabled several CEIP tasks in the Task Scheduler (I'm running Windows 7 Pro):

    1. In the Task Scheduler (Local) pane of the Task Scheduler dialog box, expand the Task Scheduler Library > Microsoft > Windows nodes and open the Application Experience folder.

    Disable the AITAgent and ProgramDataUpdater tasks.

    1. In the Task Scheduler (Local) pane of the Task Scheduler dialog box, expand the Task Scheduler Library > Microsoft > Windows nodes and open the Customer Experience Improvement Program folder.

    Disable the Consolidator, KernelCEIPTask, and Use CEIP tasks.

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    Once CEIP and the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service have been disabled, I'm not sure if disabling the above tasks are necessary, but I've done so anyway.

    I appreciate your blog .... very valuable information there .... thanks!

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  5. Anonymous
    2015-10-15T13:55:45+00:00

    Unfortunately, turning off CEIP no longer zaps all communication between Win7/8.1 and Microsoft. One additional program that we know about is the "Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service" which is installed by recent updates to Win7 and 8.1.

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