KB3035583 Installing Windows 10 using Windows Update?

The more you change Windows from the "norm", the more likely you are to introduce unexpected problems.

Agreed. That's why I do not install "updates" that are designed exclusively to push me away from my norm (Windows 7) and introduce unexpected problems, like an accidental transition to an operating system I do not want.  If these updates had any intrinsic benefit to the current operating system (whether Windows 7, 8, or 8.1) other than to ease the "upgrade" experience to Windows 10, it would be in Microsoft's interest to let us know that.

It would be quite a stretch to suggest that Microsoft is keeping secret some benefit that would actually encourage more users to accept the updates. Given that, I still don't see how declining updates with the sole purpose of easing a transition I am never going to make on this device somehow makes my operating system "damaged goods", or what "unexpected problems" I may encounter.

Again, please explain what you mean by that, without resorting to the fanciful idea that Windows 7 (or 8 or 8.1) somehow needs an easier "upgrade" process to Windows 10 in order to function properly as Windows 7 (or 8 or 8.1).

Gerry,

*>*The converse is equally true. Both points of view are supposition.

Agreed.

*>*We all have to trust each other. Where trust does not exist life becomes intolerable.

Yes, but trust goes both ways. It appears that Microsoft does not trust/respect their customer's wishes. A large set (see next item) of Microsoft's customers are running a version of Windows other than 10 ... yet Microsoft seems intent on forcing those customers into running Windows 10. Trust has to be earned ... and (in my opinion) Microsoft has not earned our trust (with the way in which they are coercing Windows 10 installations).

> More want Windows 10 than do not.

Do you have any proof of that statement? According to NetMarketShare, Windows 10 market share is 12.82% (and what portion of that share is due to coercion versus customers actually deciding to install Windows 10), while other versions of Windows (Windows 7, XP, and 8.1) have a total share of 73.41% share. If more customers wanted Windows 10 than do not, then I would think that after being available for seven months, Windows 10 market share would have at least exceeded that of Windows 7. It seems to me that more customers do not want Windows 7 than those that do.

> With so many opting for Windows 10, software providers will most likely opt to provide upgrades and new software to meet the demands of the larger market. There will be less interest in servicing the demands of a minority sticking with Windows 7. Life could pass you by.

Hmmm ... if software providers will most likely provide software for Windows 10, then why are so many people having trouble getting Windows 10 drivers for their hardware? Windows XP market share (11.24%) is only slightly under that of Windows 10 (12.82%), with Windows 8.1 at 9.83% and Windows 7 at a whopping 52.34% .... so it appears that the fear of not getting software for older versions has not impacted the large number of customers running older versions of Windows (if those customers were being impacted, then wouldn't you expect Windows 10 market share to be higher at this point).

> No! I simply recognise that I am not Canute trying "trying to stop the tide”

Each Microsoft customer will do what they feel is best for them ... I am not trying to stop the tide or tilt at windmills, I just do not want Windows 10 on my computers (for many reasons including not having options to pick and choose which updates I want and not having an option to stop ALL data collection).

Each month, I spend a lot of time going through each update and hiding those that coerce Windows 10 installation, that implement data collection on Windows 7, etc. Microsoft could easily provide options in Windows Update to never install Windows 10, to not collect data, etc, and Microsoft could choose to honor customer's wishes by never unhiding updates that a customer has previously hidden (i.e., previously identified updates that are known to coerce Windows 10 installation) .... but it's not likely that they will do so .... because getting Windows 10 installed on a billion PCs has become a corporate objective, and Microsoft will continue to pursue that objective in spite of their customer's wishes.

I do not think you have any way of knowing that for sure.

The converse is equally true. Both points of view are supposition.

whether one can trust what Microsoft does/says.

We all have to trust each other. Where trust does not exist life becomes intolerable.

in spite of the customer's desires to the contrary

More want Windows 10 than do not. Those that do not are extremely vocal!

I will not be able to easily install Windows 10 but that is OK with me (I do not want Window 10).

With so many opting for Windows 10, software providers will most likely opt to provide upgrades and new software to meet the demands of the larger market. There will be less interest in servicing the demands of a minority sticking with Windows 7. Life could pass you by.

They would also have us believe that Windows 10 collection of information is for customer's benefit (fixing Windows 10 bugs)

Sadly I fear that you may be right as regards Windows 10. Selling information to facilitate marketing campaigns is likely to become a reality in the not too distant. I suspect it will still be used to fix bugs but it will generate more spam to annoy computer users.

You seem to implicitly trust Microsoft

No! I simply recognise that I am not Canute trying "trying to stop the tide”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_waves

The improvements (you may question use of that term) in the updates you decline, ... benefit the existing Windows 7 and Windows 8 systems.

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the more information Microsoft collect on the way Windows works or fails to work, the better they will be able to fix problems that affect me as a user of their software.

Gerry,

How can you (or anyone outside Microsoft) know whether the set of KB updates that many people are choosing not to install (because they nag/coerce users into installing Windows 10) actually provide any benefits to Windows 7. You may want to believe that these Windows 10 coercion updates have some hidden and undocumented benefit to Windows 7, but I do not think you have any way of knowing that for sure.

Likewise, there is no way of knowing if Microsoft is actually using the information (that Windows 10 collects) to actually fix bugs. Of course that's what Microsoft says, but ultimately it comes down to whether one can trust what Microsoft does/says.

Given Microsoft's behavior over the past year in their attempts to get Windows 10 installed on a billion computers, I no longer trust them. Their motivation seems to be getting Windows 10 installed in spite of the customer's desires to the contrary.

I do not want Windows 10 installed on my computers .... neither now nor in the future. Therefore I do not believe that (by choosing to not install the coercive updates) my Windows 7 operating system is "damaged goods". Perhaps by avoiding the coercive updates, I will not be able to easily install Windows 10, but that is OK with me (I do not want Window 10).

For the past year, I have avoided every one of Microsoft's coercive updates, and my computers are running Windows 7 with no problems. Microsoft is a master at FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). Microsoft would have us believe that by not installing all of the Windows 10 coercive updates, we are missing some critical benefit to Windows 7 or 8 (but there is no proof to that). They would also have us believe that Windows 10 collection of information is for customer's benefit (fixing Windows 10 bugs) as opposed to Microsoft's benefit (selling and/or using that information for marketing). If Microsoft wants/needs information on bugs in Windows 10, they need to look no further than the Windows 10 forum on this site (where many many Windows 10 bugs are described by end users).

You seem to implicitly trust Microsoft and want to keep your options open for Windows 10. That's great for you. But many customers no longer trust Microsoft and have no desire to ever upgrade to Windows 10. We (who do not want Windows 10) are getting tired of Microsoft's coercive attempts to get Windows 10 installed on our computers.

Please, do explain how making the choice to avoid "are you ready now?" prompts altogether turns our operating systems into "damaged goods".

The improvements (you may question use of that term) in the updates you decline, not only ease the upgrade path to Windows 10, but benefit the existing Windows 7 and Windows 8 systems. The more you change Windows from the "norm", the more likely you are to introduce unexpected problems. Of course some users object to the updates, claiming they breach their privacy. Personally I discount the privacy argument on the basis that the more information Microsoft collect on the way Windows works or fails to work, the better they will be able to fix problems that affect me as a user of their software.