SECDRV.SYS Not Loading in Windows 10; this will break thousands of older games.

Anonymous
2015-08-01T20:13:40+00:00

Hello,

I have discovered an unfortunate problem with Windows 10.

Many games from the early-mid 2000's used Macrovision's SafeDisc (version 2) as a means of copy protection. At game startup, Windows loaded SECDRV.SYS to verify an original game disc was in the drive, after which the game would start.

When you try to run ANY game which uses this SafeDisc form of copy protection in Windows 10, the following happens:

 - You get an error window that tells you to log in with Administrator Privileges and to try again. This happens on any account, even those with Administrator access. The game fails to start.

 - If you then set "Run as Admin" compatibility mode on the game's startup file, the message disappears, but the game doesn't start.

 - Keeping a window open for C:\WINDOWS\SYSWOW64\DRIVERS shows SECDRV.SYS appearing at the moment you try to start the game. Based on its size, it appears to be the file that is present on the game disc (tested across several games), even though I see no disc activity and cannot find the file elsewhere on my system.

 - The Windows event log shows that SECDRV.SYS failed to load.

 - This happens both with an upgraded install (Windows 8.1 > Windows 10) and with a fresh Windows 10 install, with one of the games being installed immediately upon the fresh install completing.

 - On my Windows 64-bit 8.1 system, C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS has a folder called amd64_macrovision-protection-safedisc_31bf3856ad364e35_6.3.9600.16384_none_4e6b3758913c9240 with a SECDRV.SYS in it, presumably the one that ships with Windows. Windows 10 had such a folder in early builds, but it is missing from the release build. It appears SafeDisc support is missing entirely.

OTHER TESTING I HAVE DONE:

 - I updated one of the games to a version that no longer required the CD check, and it started immediately and ran perfectly once the check was removed. However, this is possible only with a very limited number of games, or resorting to fixes that violate the game's EULA or put the user's system security at risk.

 - I tried disabling driver signature verification and installing one of the games again; same problem.

 - Multiple compatibility modes; same problem. XP (Service Pack 3) mode and / or Run as Administrator mode make the error message go away, but the games still fail to launch.

SIGNIFICANCE:

Unless this is fixed in Windows 10, a massive catalog of older games will cease to function in Windows 10 for the simple reason that they cannot pass the SafeDisc copy protection check. I am accustomed to some games breaking with every new version of Windows as technology progresses (for example, the loss of the ability to run 16-bit programs in 64-bit Windows), but this seems to be an unnecessarily harsh change.

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  1. Anonymous
    2015-10-28T11:27:39+00:00

    I cannot believe there was data that pointed to his "vulnerability" as critical security update.

    Microsoft's own games now do not work (AoE).  From reading reviews the "new, improved" HD versions are not replacements for the originals.

    I only upgraded one pc to Windows 10 - and this is why I am waiting on doing the rest of them - I don't know if I will ever do the other pc's I own.  And this is why we don't trust big software companies..."free" Windows 10 upgrade.  Nothing is ever free.  I don't think they know the meaning of that word - "free."

    So now I get to uninstall the update on the pc's that my kids use to play these games and/or edit registry(not sure if that will work - tried the other cmd prompt workarounds to no avail).  And make sure they know - do not click the Windows 10 upgrade - regardless of the freaking nagging.

    I hope MS changes this issue, but I highly doubt it.  I just wish there was an OS alternative to windows that has same look, feel, gui experience so that other family members would be comfortable.  But then none of the games would run...so it's Microsoft's monopoly to own us and control what we are able to do or not do on their "free" os.

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  2. Anonymous
    2015-10-23T12:04:52+00:00

    I am surprised that MSFT has not backpedaled in this problem

    A vast number of disk games I own are not working

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  3. Anonymous
    2015-10-23T11:34:45+00:00

    I applaud your decision to do the right / obvious thing and drop back to an OS that you're satisfied with -- and that, by design, allows SECDRV to run (however risky it may be). I made the same decision by repurposing an old laptop and pretty much dedicating it as a Civilization host). I still much prefer Win 10 as my general OS.

    If you had read this entire (admittedly very long) string of comments, you'd have known the relevant "patch" is KB3086255. Just uninstall that one update -- and don't let it be re-installed (or keep removing it) -- and SECDRV will once again do it's thing. It works fine for me.

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  4. Anonymous
    2015-10-23T10:45:08+00:00

    I have a game using Tages which also is being flagged a problematic

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  5. Anonymous
    2015-10-23T03:39:59+00:00

    Have returned to Windows 7. Set updates per suggestion and will keep on top of them. The game Conquerors expansion is working for now and hopefully for-ever. Nice to back to what is good. Thanks so much, Steven.

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