All system restore points constantly deleted with VSS services/volsnap errors

Anonymous
2014-01-08T09:35:11+00:00

Original Title: Let's start simple! Is there anyone from Microsoft out there?

For 6 weeks, I've been trying to sort out why my system restore points keep getting wiped out - something to do with VSS Server, I think. But let's forget that for now - all I want at the moment is a definitive answer whether VSS Server should be on Manual or Automatic. Some MS documents say one, some the other. If I can find out this, we can then move on to the next step of why it keeps getting switched off, regardless of which option is chosen. So SHOULD IT BE ON MANUAL OR AUTO? surely that isn't difficult to answer and must be known by MS.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-01-21T20:42:20+00:00

    Hi Kevcra,

    No, I can't be much help, as it was so long ago. I know it eventually got stopped, but I can't remember how - it was just one thing in a never-ending lot of things to sort out. I've not had much trouble with these now I'm in Windows 10, but do know I had one this week and have no idea why - the problem is you don't know if it's happened unless you check System Restore or Event Viewer all the time! - I imagine it was too complicated for MS to build in something to tell you your restore points had just been wiped out!

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-01-21T19:57:28+00:00

    How to Repair Corrupted Windows System Files with the SFC and DISM Commands

    http://www.howtogeek.com/222532/how-to-repair-corrupted-windows-system-files-with-the-sfc-and-dism-commands/

    If it is a problem because of Dual Booting.  Try some of the suggestions here.  See the KB article in the third link.

    Windows 8 : Restore points are deleted when switching to another system (dual boot)

    http://en.kioskea.net/faq/32427-windows-8-restore-points-are-deleted-when-switching-to-another-system-dual-boot

    Windows 7 deletes Windows 8 restore Points

    http://www.eightforums.com/performance-maintenance/19777-windows-7-deletes-windows-8-restore-points.html

    No restore points are available when you use Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008-based operating systems in a dual-boot configuration together with an earlier Windows operating system

    http://support2.microsoft.com/kb/926185

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=no+restore+points+have+been+created+windows+8&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-AU:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=drtfVMmIHqeN8QfWjoHIDA&gws_rd=ssl

    Windows 7 - System Restore Points Keep Getting Deleted

    http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/58781-system-restore-points-keep-getting-deleted.html

    Some third-party tools can can cause the deletion of restore points in Windows.

    How to perform a clean boot in Windows

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135/en-au

    How to perform a clean boot to troubleshoot a problem in Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10.

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/929135

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-01-20T23:54:44+00:00

    Hi-

    Was an answer for this ever forthcoming Tom? Maybe it was a solar storm? My situation is so similar I wont bother to explain all the details. I appluad you sticking with it and trying to figure the problem out.

    I build my own PC's and have for over 20 years. I use all Western Digital Drives....2M hour MTBF drives...Intel, etc. I don't skimp on my PC's is the point, or on how they are set-up. I am not an idiot and I have checked the "on switch".

    I do multi-boot. I do use Malwarebytes but not as a service - only manual checks - and I run Windows Defender on real-time. I have an Intel mainboard, 32G of Ram, Intel i7. All security feeatures on my board are turned off. I do not quickboot. I power off every night. I have never had my PC run out of resources and I run some serious engineering software. I have tunred on VSS and Task Sched to automatic start. SFC, defrag, chkdsk, etc. 

    For my friend SpritX:

    Please stop the insistance it's not Windows when you obvioulsy have NO CLUE as to what the cause is. People like you are the worst, you have no idea what the problem is yet continue to tell people to reload windows or "you might have a sneaky vuirus Malwarebytes can't detect" ..... BullSh**!! Just google missing restore points and tell me this isn't a pretty large issue, statistics tells you this. I have another post on this very subject. there are many many threads on this issue over more than 5 years ...many. I read this entire post and my head almost exploded after seeing SpiritX' comments on this subject. WTH are you doing posting on this if you have never had the issue, have no idea what the cause is, and have no idea as to the solution??

    SpiritX, since you seem to have a window into the blackbox that is Windows...tell us....why can this NOT be Windows? I mean you are very certain, and I'd like to hear why beyond "not possible" or operator error. Maybe some facts, evidence, details or a process flow diagram. I mean you have this right? Some process flow or timing diagrams...anything???

    Maybe, just maybe, since most IT folks don't use MS for back-up and restore Microsoft hasn't really fully developed these features for personal use. I am sure it works great with all the other network tech, AD and security features, but for personal stand-alone PC's - I am guessing system Restore was never fully developed and marketing pushes it cause they know most peple will never be able to figure out it really doesnt work or they themselves dont know.

    Best as I can tell Tom, we aren't doing anything "wrong". I am guessing you aren't an idiot and either am I...matter of fact most IT guys I know come to me for stand alone Windows or PC issues. I have worked very hard to figure this out and haven't come up with a solution I can reproduce or explain.

    VSS and it's underlying framework are essentially a blackbox. All the interconnectedness of Windows is hidden. VSS and task scheduling, WMI, etc. are all tightly integrated into Windows ...which is really a Server dumbed down. I am GUESSING....there is some setting or feature or security issue that is inherit to Windows that just doesn't work properly when the PC is in a non-networked environment.

    We need something like what Active Directrory uses to check itself and tell you what needs to be done or services that need to be installed/configured. SFC and Chkdsk aren't really cutting it anymore.

    It seems power users are left behind in Microsofts quest to break into Apples market. Disappointing.

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  4. Anonymous
    2014-02-20T12:05:38+00:00

    No problems for the last 12 days (never gone more than 5 days before with no problems) - problem is, I've not changed anything! I turned off anything else doing backups (WD Smartware - backs up to an external hard drive and Dropbox; Acronis Trueimage non-stop backup; backs up to another external hard drive), then turned them back on, one at a time, and no problems! Bizarre!

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  5. Anonymous
    2014-02-08T21:51:01+00:00

    Hi,

    I would checking with the System/Motherboard Maker and the hard drive maker. If it is

    hardware then you can't fix that with software.

    Rob - SpiritX

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