Cant backup 8.1 using system image backup! Error 0x80780119, Cant optimise system partition, (this is why i cant backup) please read. . .

Anonymous
2013-10-19T14:16:48+00:00

I am having this issue, cant optimise the system partition 350mb. 8.1 official release,

This is also causing a huge problem, the optimise option in windows 8.1 allows me to optimise the c: drive but not the system partition this prevents a system image backup...!!

Due to the system partition being out of space for a shadow copy to be placed onto it the backup fails every time with this error code, -- 0x80780119 --.

Backups are a huge factor in operating systems and since upgrading I cant backup my system using windows image backup, if I could optimise the system partition and straighten out the file structure within it (free up some space) for the shadow copy then the volume shadow copy could be placed onto the drive but it cant...

This all worked fine in 8.0 but not now...please fix this problem!?

Not being able to backup your system is not good enough...

here is my my issue again in pictures...

1.system volume needs optimising

but pressing the optimise for this does nothing at all.. current status remains "Needs optimisation".

The way an ssd reclaims drive space is to use the optimise function, this not working prevents the reclaim for files/data to be written to space where files have been deleted previously. Giving the impression the drive/partition is full when really its not full just needs optimising/trimmed.

 

  1. initiate the system image backup

  1. both volumes to be backed up

  1. error message due to insufficient space on the system partition for shadow copy. 

 

  1. finally here is a capture of the current disk setup on my system, notice the system partition only has 17mb free space and according to the above error message I need atleast 50mb free for the volume shadow copy !? Due to this I cant create a backup of my system using windows 8.1 !

(system partition has no drive letter assigned to it 350mb)

PLEASE HELP !! Thanks for reading.

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Anonymous
2013-10-20T20:19:10+00:00

I have found a way around this getting Windows System Image Backup working again. I did this on my laptop and desktop confirming that I could recover from the images. It is actually pretty easy but should not be necessary. The reason that the backup would not work was because the recovery partition was using 284MB of the 300MB available. There was not 50MB available for shadow copy. Here are the steps I took on an EUFI GPT disk:

Note: All commands are without quotes. 

Disclaimer: I would recommend backing up all of you important data as any time you mess with partitions, there is the possibility to lose data. This process was done one both my laptop (Win8.1 Home) and desktop (Win8.1 Pro). I cannot take responsibility if this causes any damage. With that being said, I hope this helps.

Download and install MiniTool Partition Wizard http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html Note that none of the changes will take effect until you hit apply. I am sure others may work but this is the one that I used and it is free. 

You should have 3 Windows partitions; Recovery - 300 MB, EFI System - 100 MB, and your system Volume to start off with. 

  1. Once installed, Open Partition Wizard and Shrink your system volume, C: in my case, by 101MB at the beginning of the partition. (I had to put 101MB as when I tried 100 it said that the space was too small when doing the next step) To do this, Right Click the C: Drive, select, Move/Resize, and the put 101 in box named "Unallocated Space Before:" and click OK.
  2. Copy the EFI System partition (100 MB FAT32) to this new Free Space by right clicking, selecting copy, and then selecting the unallocated space. Then next the OK.
  3. Delete the 100MB EFI System Partition after the Recovery Partition. 

After this is done, you will see 100MB unallocated space after the Recovery Partition. 

  1. Right click on Recovery partition and select Extend. Drag the bar to take up all of the extra free space. This will change the recovery partition from 300MB to 400MB allowing for enough space (50MB) for the shadow copy. Click OK. 
  2. Next Click Apply. I received an error stating that it could not make changes due to C: being in use. I clicked restart. 

When the computer restarts, Partition Wizard will do its thing. Once it is done you should boot into Windows again.

This next part is essential, because, windows now does not recognize the partition that was moved before as an EFI System Partition. If you try and do a backup image now, only the system partition will show and not the Recovery or EFI System

  1. Open a cmd prompt with administrator privileges. Press Start Key, Type cmd, right click, select run as administrator. 
  2. Type diskpart to start windows command line disk manager. 
  3. Find the disk that Windows is installed on by typing List disk. This will be different on each machine but for illustration mine was disk 0
  4. Select that disk by typing the command "select disk" and the disk number.
  5. Next, determine the EFI partition that was moved earlier. This is the partition that was moved earlier and should be 100MB. Type in the command "list part" to see a list of the partitions on the disk. Mine was Partition 3. This may be different on your system. 
  6. Once you have determined the partition number, type "select partition " and your partition number
  7. Next you have to set this partition as an EFI System volume. Type in this command - "set id = c12a7328-f81f-11d2-ba4b-00a0c93ec93b" This changes the partition type to an EFI system volume.
  8. After all of this is done, restart your computer and you should now be able to back up you system using the System Image Backup in File History.

I know some of this may seem a little elementary to some but you never know who needs help and their technical knowledge. 

I hope that this helps and let me know if you have any questions.

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  1. Anonymous
    2013-10-30T03:54:00+00:00

    I hope this helps you in some way Kevin? I presume you are getting the error message as described in the heading of this thread? Whats your partition layout?        

    It helps somewhat. It is still a bit technical for me.

    When I upgraded from 8 to 8.1, I noticed that a "SecureBoot isn't configured correctly" error. I checked on the internet, and the answer was to ask the computer manufacturer how to solve the issue. So I called my manufacturer. The tech support person indicated that I should back up my pc first, so that we have a safety net. When I tried to backup, I ran into difficulties as described in this thread. Here's two jpgs from my system:

    F is a usb standalone drive. I also tried an internal drive with 1.7T free. It didn't work either. Below is the error message that I received.

    This should look familiar to everyone here.

    The computer tech person that I am working with is doing his research. We both suspect that nothing will be found. So, if that's the case, he suggests doing a completely reinstall. He doesn't favor using third party tools to shift the partitions.

    I have a new fancy pc, less than a year old, that had Windows 8 installed originally. I am not too happy about having to remove everything and starting over. But if that's the solution, then I best get mentally prepared. Luckily, only my operating system and software is on my C drive. Everything else is on my other drives.

    I am reasonably adept at using personal computers. I have been using a pc since ms-dos days. However, I don't relish getting involved in technical details and will only do so when necessary. However, it looks like I might have to learn more about boot disks, partitions and other stuff.

    You asked about my partition layout. I don't even know where to look to answer your question. I assume, however, that my screen capture above provides some guidance?

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  2. Anonymous
    2013-10-30T07:41:09+00:00

    I think that we can agree that everyone here would prefer not to use a third party partitioning software to get this working again. Windows, does not allow you to shrink a partition at the beginning of the partition and in order to provide space for the Recovery partition , this needs to be done. Also, this is a problem that is showing when upgrading to Windows 8.1 (though it has been seen in 7 and 8.0 as well) and Microsoft has yet to, as far as I know, address the issue. If you can re-install Windows and size the partitions appropriately, then I would suggest this (I ended up doing it on one of my computers and never had a problem creating a system image). I know that many people would rather avoid this and that is what this thread is about.

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  3. Anonymous
    2013-10-30T08:09:37+00:00

    I've decided not to mess with the partitions and leave them in their default state.

    I am going to use a third party application, which is much better, in my opinion.

    And maybe in the meantime, Microsoft may release a fix. :-)

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  4. Anonymous
    2013-10-30T08:29:15+00:00

    We can only hope..... Good luck.

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