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Short form:
I want to use a 16GB USB flash drive memory stick as RAM, but seem to be unable to use more than 4GB, due to the system requirements, limiting what I can enter for values (size). WHY??
More detail:
The computer is a desktop machine, having a 3.0GHz dual-core processor, and 4GB RAM installed. I believe the hard drive is a 1T.
I have a 16GB USB flash drive memory stick, which I want to use to boost the RAM, for games, and such. There are 3 spare USB ports on the back of the tower. The flash drive is new, with NO files saved on it.
When I go into the Settings; Computer; Virtual Memory, the computer is not allowing me to enter a value greater than 4096 in the field for "Initial Size" or "Maximum Size", for the Page File of the USB drive.
The Value for C: that I see is: "2096-4092".
Main Question:
Is there some reason why I cannot allocate more of the memory stick for RAM?
(Does the flash drive need to be formatted?)
Does the values for C: need to be changed?
I presently have "4090" entered for values "Initial Size" and "Maximum Size" in the custom size, for the Page File of the USB Drive.
Screenshot provided of Virtual Memory Settings screen: (you can see the L: drive settings (selected), and the C: settings, also)
Question 2:
Also, is the "4G" of RAM which I have added to the machine, being added to the 4GB which is already installed in the tower?
Question 3:
Does the OS wait until the system RAM is full before using the External RAM?
Thanks!
edit to add:
What I learned from Microsoft article "How To Set Performance Options in Windows XP":
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308417/en-us
To manually change the size of virtual memory, follow these steps:
...Note After you change the size of the paging file, you may be prompted to restart Windows. If you are prompted to restart, the changes will not take effect until Windows is restarted.
...
What I am unclear of here, is that, as you can see in the screenshot, the Recommended Size under Total paging file size for all drives is 3019M.
And, the values set for the Paging File in C are 2046-4092.
The tower has been rebuilt, and has 4GB RAM.
I do not know if these numbers reflect an original build of 2GB, whereas 3GB (3019M) would be 1.5 times the installed RAM, perhaps.
Under Virtual Memory, I see the following (shown in screenshot):
Drive C
Space available: 725194MB
*Custom Size
Initial Size: 2046
Maximum Size: 4092
Total paging file size for all Drives
Minimum allowed: 2MB
Recommended: 3019MB
Currently Allocated: 2046MB
Given that the system has 4GB RAM installed, shouldn't the minimum be 1.5 times that value, or ~6000MB ? (not 3019MB), and the maximum be 3 times ? (not 4092)
"The recommended minimum size is the same as 1.5 times the RAM on your computer, and 3 times that figure for the maximum size."
Can I change the values on the Virtual memory for C drive to 2046-12000MB ?
That is what I am reading from the article. But, it also says to not have a paging file on the same drive as the programs.
"Try to avoid having a paging file on the same drive as the system files, usually drive C."
Also, why am I unable to enter values greater than 4096 for the USB drive in Initial or Maximum?
I also have a question as to whether I should select "Programs" or "System Cache" in memory usage, due to the cache requirements of games, running very few programs.
edit 2:
I learned that the usb drive needs to be formatted in NTFS, so I did that, which isn't easy, as that isn't a selection in the choices in the Format menu, without going into Device Mgr.
A friend was telling me about formatting a usb drive ex-fat for a newer application, and got me thinking. I had selected FAT32 for this one, and had noticed no change in the page file graph usage after adding the drive, like it wasn't getting any data placed on it.
So, as custom settings for this USB drive, I have the Initial value at 4091 and the Maximum at 4096, with "System Cache" selected as opposed to "Programs" in Memory usage, in Performance settings.
Any answers or tips would be appreciated.
Am I on the right track?
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Thanks, again, for your replies, John! I do appreciate all your time over the past few days. You have been a BIG help!
(Even if my wife disagrees.) You see, I am not only facing resistance from the machines, but from the status quo. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I suppose."
She just said tonight that "These computers are running as slow as molasses since you have been doing things to them." Well, she does not even use this desktop, I have done NOTHING to her desktop yet (XP OS also), except install Malwarebytes Antimalware PRO, and on the 'newer' laptop I got the cpu usage to stop running constantly at 60-65% usage by running Malwarebytes.
WmiPrvSE.exe was being affected by a virus, apparently, and would spike to 100% when a browser or webpage would be opened. It was very slow, and now it is usable again. That machine was an inheritance.
The other laptop, my 'main' one, I have determined to be inflicted with a bad wireless mouse. I moved the mouse to this desktop, and the problems followed it over. Problems which I was not having here on this machine which you have been helping me with. The laptop is fine now, without that 'sick' mouse.
Anyway, back to work... (Oh, by the way, in Task Mgr on those laptop machines with Windows 7, I am seeing 80-90 processes!! One machine at a time, I suppose...
This desktop is running better than it ever has, in my opinion. The RAM is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I will not stop my vigil, with simply plugging in the new card.
To address the points of your latest post:
Comodo Dragon IS a Chrome-based browser, not Mozilla (Firefox)-based.
And, I also noticed, that even though I have only two Dragon browsers open (as I noted in the one post; one with only one tab open, and the other with two tabs open), there are multiple entries for dragon in the processes list.
How do you account for this? I don't understand it. (That accounts for approx. 10 of the listed processes, right there.) I have no idea why there are so many entries for 'dragon'. I definitely DO NOT have 5 tabs open in both browsers, and a web page open in each tab!
I have previously used Mozilla Firefox (a couple years ago), but found that it didn't perform well for me (in the web-based game which I play). It may be different now. Many others do use it, and its variants, as well as Chrome and its variants. It is crazy how many browser choices exist now.
One reason for the high usage of memory in the game I play, may be the Extensions in the browser, or 'scripts'. These perform automatic functions in the game, or 'botting', as it is sometimes called.
My license for AVG 2013 expires in July, so I will investigate a different AV software. I was happy with Spyware Doctor, but it was discontinued, and Norton was the recommended replacement. I had heard that Norton is a resource hog, so I avoided that.
I have a friend who I may ask for advice on his choice for AV. He plays the same game, and was a big fan of Spyware Doctor with Antivirus, as well.
I will look into the FSAutoStart.
How do I best use the information in memuse.txt and startlist.txt to go about removing services and processes, versus just looking at Task Mgr and services.msc?
Adding another 2GB of RAM will take care of most of your paging problems but you do ramp the machine up to a commit charge of almost 4GB at times so you will still have to keep an eye on memory usage. Even with the additional 2GB or RAM you will still only have around 3GB available due to hardware addressing needs so there will still be potential paging, the only way around that will be to unload unnecessary processes when you get into potential paging situations.
Do your research on your running processes and see if you can remove some of them from the startup axis. In another post I notice that your AVG anti-virus was using over 140MB of memory, you might want to consider using other AV software, Avast is much lighter on memory usage. Your multiple Dragons also consume quite a bit of memory but that is somewhat normal for Mozilla based browsers, they have always been memory hogs. I see that you have multiple Dragon instances running, is there a reason for this? Are all the tabs or new windows running in separate browser instances? Have you considered Chrome as an alternative? It may use less memory than Dragon.
You might want to look into Ken Salter's FSAutoStart which will allow you to automatically shutdown services and programs to provide more resources for your games. The program was designed to help Flight Simulator users make maximum use of resources for the game. The program is old but it runs well on Windows XP.
John
Task Mgr, Performance, after Reboot and pause, after more services were stopped, set to manual. No programs started.
services.txt (with nothing running)
These Windows services are started:
Application Layer Gateway Service
Automatic Updates
AVG WatchDog
AVGIDSAgent
COM+ Event System
COMODO Dragon Update Service
Computer Browser
Cryptographic Services
DCOM Server Process Launcher
DHCP Client
DNS Client
Event Log
Fast User Switching Compatibility
HTTP SSL
IPSEC Services
Java Quick Starter
MBAMScheduler
Network Connections
Network Location Awareness (NLA)
Plug and Play
Pml Driver HPZ12
Print Spooler
Protected Storage
Remote Access Connection Manager
Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
SeaPort
Secondary Logon
Security Accounts Manager
Security Center
Server
Shell Hardware Detection
SSDP Discovery Service
System Event Notification
System Restore Service
Telephony
Terminal Services
Themes
TimesUpKidz
Windows Audio
Windows Driver Foundation - User-mode Driver Framework
Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
Windows Management Instrumentation
Wireless Zero Configuration
Workstation
The command completed successfully.
Image Name PID Services
========================= ====== =============================================
System Idle Process 0 N/A
System 4 N/A
smss.exe 632 N/A
avgrsx.exe 672 N/A
avgcsrvx.exe 712 N/A
csrss.exe 916 N/A
winlogon.exe 940 N/A
services.exe 984 Eventlog, PlugPlay
lsass.exe 996 PolicyAgent, ProtectedStorage, SamSs
svchost.exe 1160 DcomLaunch, TermService
svchost.exe 1232 RpcSs
svchost.exe 1328 AudioSrv, Browser, CryptSvc, Dhcp,
EventSystem, FastUserSwitchingCompatibility,
lanmanserver, lanmanworkstation, Netman,
Nla, RasMan, seclogon, SENS, SharedAccess,
ShellHWDetection, srservice, TapiSrv,
Themes, winmgmt, wscsvc, wuauserv, WZCSVC
svchost.exe 1368 WudfSvc
svchost.exe 1448 Dnscache
spoolsv.exe 1588 Spooler
avgidsagent.exe 1680 AVGIDSAgent
avgwdsvc.exe 1740 avgwd
dragon_updater.exe 1824 DragonUpdater
jqs.exe 1864 JavaQuickStarterService
mbamscheduler.exe 1920 MBAMScheduler
HPZipm12.exe 188 Pml Driver HPZ12
avgnsx.exe 360 N/A
SeaPort.exe 380 SeaPort
avgemcx.exe 540 N/A
TimesUpKidzServer.exe 420 TimesUpKidz
alg.exe 2396 ALG
avgcsrvx.exe 2768 N/A
explorer.exe 3416 N/A
igfxtray.exe 3536 N/A
hkcmd.exe 3544 N/A
igfxpers.exe 3552 N/A
igfxsrvc.exe 3592 N/A
svchost.exe 3624 SSDPSRV
vprot.exe 3708 N/A
RTHDCPL.EXE 3732 N/A
avgui.exe 3904 N/A
svchost.exe 4068 HTTPFilter
jusched.exe 4064 N/A
FacebookUpdate.exe 256 N/A
Lightshot.exe 2248 N/A
ctfmon.exe 2080 N/A
wmiprvse.exe 3504 N/A
cmd.exe 3808 N/A
tasklist.exe 164 N/A
wmiprvse.exe 1184 N/A
**edit to add:**results of memuse.txt doc after running the following commands:
tasklist | sort /R /+58 >c:\Memuse.txt
c:\memuse.txt
dragon.exe 2556 Console 0 153,032 K
dragon.exe 1936 Console 0 65,128 K
dragon.exe 2956 Console 0 49,044 K
TimesUpKidzServer.exe 420 Console 0 24,696 K
svchost.exe 1328 Console 0 23,288 K
RTHDCPL.EXE 3732 Console 0 23,268 K
explorer.exe 3416 Console 0 22,320 K
dragon.exe 2492 Console 0 20,920 K
dragon.exe 2884 Console 0 20,292 K
avgcsrvx.exe 712 Console 0 19,528 K
avgrsx.exe 672 Console 0 19,412 K
avgcsrvx.exe 2768 Console 0 18,216 K
vprot.exe 3708 Console 0 15,164 K
avgwdsvc.exe 1740 Console 0 14,736 K
avgui.exe 3904 Console 0 13,916 K
avgnsx.exe 360 Console 0 10,248 K
avgidsagent.exe 1680 Console 0 10,164 K
SeaPort.exe 380 Console 0 9,552 K
Lightshot.exe 2248 Console 0 8,768 K
avgemcx.exe 540 Console 0 6,740 K
dragon_updater.exe 1824 Console 0 6,504 K
svchost.exe 3624 Console 0 6,400 K
wmiprvse.exe 3168 Console 0 5,888 K
spoolsv.exe 1588 Console 0 5,776 K
mbamscheduler.exe 1920 Console 0 5,540 K
svchost.exe 1160 Console 0 5,000 K
tasklist.exe 3312 Console 0 4,604 K
svchost.exe 1232 Console 0 4,504 K
igfxtray.exe 3536 Console 0 3,744 K
alg.exe 2396 Console 0 3,672 K
hkcmd.exe 3544 Console 0 3,644 K
svchost.exe 1448 Console 0 3,620 K
services.exe 984 Console 0 3,560 K
svchost.exe 4068 Console 0 3,560 K
csrss.exe 916 Console 0 3,520 K
svchost.exe 1368 Console 0 3,472 K
ctfmon.exe 2080 Console 0 3,340 K
winlogon.exe 940 Console 0 3,236 K
igfxsrvc.exe 3592 Console 0 3,212 K
igfxpers.exe 3552 Console 0 3,000 K
jusched.exe 4064 Console 0 2,948 K
cmd.exe 3376 Console 0 2,776 K
sort.exe 1668 Console 0 2,344 K
HPZipm12.exe 188 Console 0 1,836 K
FacebookUpdate.exe 256 Console 0 1,736 K
lsass.exe 996 Console 0 1,584 K
jqs.exe 1864 Console 0 1,432 K
notepad.exe 2652 Console 0 588 K
smss.exe 632 Console 0 436 K
System 4 Console 0 408 K
cmd.exe 3808 Console 0 156 K
System Idle Process 0 Console 0 28 K
========================= ====== ================ ======== ============
Image Name PID Session Name Session# Mem Usage
There are two Dragon browsers open, one has one tab open. The other has two tabs open. The only other thing "open" was Task Manager, and the Command Console.
(aside from AVG and Lightshot, which I realize sit in the system tray, among a couple other things; Realtek HD Audio Manager, Intel Graphics Media Accelerator Driver)
edit to add:
I have created another restore point, and stopped the following services via their Properties window(s) in services.msc :
All have been stopped and set to manual, except two, as noted with (*), which were not started.
I will run the previous Command Prompt commands after another reboot and pause with no programs open.
(I wanted to be sure I could restart, and access the internet before going further).
Agere Modem Call Progress Audio
Computer Browser
*Google Update Service (gupdate)
HID Input Service
RealNetworks Downloader Resolver Service
*Skype Updater
System Event Notification
Team Viewer 8
vToolbaUpdater 18.0.5
Windows Live ID Sign-In Assistant
Workstation
Skype and Team Viewer tasks should probably have been handles through, or from, their own program consoles, I realize.
However, I am trying to weed through the things which were listed as 'automatic' on the list in services.msc