Russian mnemonic keyboard three letters missing: щ ч э

Anonymous
2012-12-24T05:08:49+00:00

It is nice that windows 8 added a mnemonic Russian keyboard.

Unfortunately there are three letters which I can not find: щ, ч and э.

These three letters exist in the standard Russian keyboard. They are at the following location (in the US  keyboard): o,x and '.

Without these three letters the mnemonic keyboard is useless

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Anonymous
2013-01-16T03:58:39+00:00

You just need to type multiple keys to get to those letters: For example some (not all) of them:

sh -> ш

ch -> ч

jo -> ё

je -> э

And this is just awesome. This means you just type the way it sounds and Russian letters just magically produced.

Chego eschjo xhelat'? -> Чего ещё желать?

Note that the left hand side is quite readable as is.

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2013-01-24T14:59:23+00:00

It is nice that windows 8 added a mnemonic Russian keyboard.

Unfortunately there are three letters which I can not find: щ, ч and э.

These three letters exist in the standard Russian keyboard. They are at the following location (in the US  keyboard): o,x and '.

Without these three letters the mnemonic keyboard is useless

One not very obvious aspect is the way the combination "ые" is typed, by the way. You actually need to hit the spacebar after typing [English] 'y', so that the keyboard knows you are in fact typing 'ы' and not the first element of ’э', which is entered using the English key sequence 'ye'. By contrast, if you want to type 'ые’ (as in 'красивые') you need to type '[krasiv]y[spacebar]e.'

Was frustrating for me before I figured that one out...

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  1. Anonymous
    2013-10-23T00:18:07+00:00

    "But for me it still argues in favor of just learning, finally, to “go native” and learn the original keyboard, which is less of a moving target."

    Yes, I mentioned it - same choice was made by many-many people.

    I mostly compared not standard with mnemonic but 2 mnemonic approaches - with combinations and 1:1 method. And also think about them based on the volume - and how often one needs to type Russian.

    As for Apple -  they do have analog MSKLC:

    layout editor Ukelele - http://theapplegeek.ru/blog/2010/04/20/redaktirovanie-klaviaturnoj-raskladki-ukelele/

    But I mentioned Apple only to underscore that they included into OS such mnemonic layout which was used for years under Mac and Windows - 1:1 one.

    So for me it's strange that Microsoft decided to "forget" all those years of 1:1 mnemonic layouts (and it was based on their own MSKLC!) and include into Windows 8 brand new type of mnemonic layout

    :-(

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  2. Anonymous
    2013-10-23T00:43:17+00:00

    Hi Mike

    Thank you very much for your helpful answer.

    I tried to install .NET framework and Visual C++ Runtimes, but found out that windows 8.1 has already their latest versions installed (it so hard to know what is already in windows 8).

    There is a slight probability that I made some error in building the mnemonic keyboard myself, using as model Яверт from win.rus.

    So, could I ask you please to send me your working source file, and I will use it in MSKLC to create a mnemonic Russian keyboard?

    Thanks in advance

    Gerhard

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  3. Anonymous
    2013-10-23T01:14:20+00:00

    Hi Gerhard,

    "There is a slight probability that I made some error in building the mnemonic keyboard myself, using as modelЯверт from win.rus."

    Here are all my source files (.klc) from WinRus.com, including one for Яверт:

    http://WinRus.com/KLC-files.zip

    and, just in case, my step-by-step instruction for MSKLC usage for you to check if you missed some step and thus face those error messages:

    in Russian - http://freeMSKLC.winrus.com

    in English - http://winrus.com/mod_e.htm#XP

    :)

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