If I am personally impacted by a patch, then I can open the case, provide the log files, etc and don't need to bother anyone else or ask people to help me. When I don't experiencing something personally, I need help from others.
Shamnigurat, I have been sending your urls (thank you very much) and because I don't speak Russian and don't use Russian search engines I wouldn't have found without you.
So thank you for that.