I HATE Windows 8. This is the worst OS ever invented.

You didn't get the point... Doesn't surprise me as I have seen it too many times.  There is sometimes a give and take there, I suppose.  The point of the reflection is you should read what you stated out loud and imagine *I* said it.

My responses to you merely pointed out your opinion is not the only one (and the outcome of the 'experiments' depend on more factors than you may have originally accounted for *if* they were to be performed on the stage this all is playing out on) and that those who may be satisfied *could* outnumber the ones that are unsatisfied.  Especially given that many do not bother to find a place and brag on a product - but many will find a place and try to break one down.  Even more so in a place where everyone goes to get issues resolved.  The, "Hey doc!  I made an appointment just to let you know I am feeling fine, nothing wrong."  *shake hands and leave* scenario rarely happens.

I came up with counterpoints to the points (experiments) you felt had to be mentioned... well, because you brought them into the conversation.  Or, I asked what you were trying to imply with the mention of a given experiment.  I could have ignored them - but that might have been rude.  You brought up the PhD (amongst other credentials).  You brought up the experiments and the comparisons.  It (all) could have been left out, but...

Anyway - to sum up what I have seen on the opposite side of this discussion...

Jump in head first, get a third party start menu, use a local account, turn on autologon, turn off the lock after sleep and use a different email application than the built-in one and Windows 8 is now more like Windows 7 all without the only choice being the tile start menu (still there - but the classic is back too), removing the need for a Microsoft account, eliminating the pesky logon security and not using the tablet-like email application (that does, yes, reflect back on how the Android and Apple devices in the same category work - meaning you have to have a Google or Apple account to use some parts of them) and do it all with a little haughtiness.

I did get all your points only I think you did not get any of mine nor the points of others... 

this is supposed to be a room for complaining and asking for help and not for being enamoured with the product..

just read the number of headlines in the general forum that start with "I hate Win 8". If you want to read comments about how much people love Win 8, read a forum that is titled with that... this isn't it.

What you are also forgetting or are ignorant about since you never asked is whether we who ended up with a computer wanted to have the Win 8 on it at all.... I did not want Win 8... Win 7 was perfect for me and would have loved to buy the laptop I bought with Win 7.. if it were available! The quality of the computer I needed for the price I wanted to pay for it came with it.. I had no choice about it. Thus I have the right to "not like" what OS I got given that I did not want that in the first place.

Thus it is not the case that I "bought" Win 8 and now I don;t like it but rather I bought a computer that CAME with it and I don't like it... but I have no way of getting out of it.

Sometimes a bit of more information asking can be helpful... my resistance to your statements came from this--and this realization just came to me now.

Hi,

Not exactly...I don't have access to my Win 8 machine right now to be sure, but I believe that if you go to the Personalize area that there is a place to change your Password.

Simply change your Windows Live login to a regular Password or do like I did at installation...just leave everything blank. This causes windows to pause briefly at the Welcome screen and then load directly to Start, or as in my case using Start 8...the Desktop.

You didn't get the point... Doesn't surprise me as I have seen it too many times.  There is sometimes a give and take there, I suppose.  The point of the reflection is you should read what you stated out loud and imagine *I* said it.

My responses to you merely pointed out your opinion is not the only one (and the outcome of the 'experiments' depend on more factors than you may have originally accounted for *if* they were to be performed on the stage this all is playing out on) and that those who may be satisfied *could* outnumber the ones that are unsatisfied.  Especially given that many do not bother to find a place and brag on a product - but many will find a place and try to break one down.  Even more so in a place where everyone goes to get issues resolved.  The, "Hey doc!  I made an appointment just to let you know I am feeling fine, nothing wrong."  *shake hands and leave* scenario rarely happens.

I came up with counterpoints to the points (experiments) you felt had to be mentioned... well, because you brought them into the conversation.  Or, I asked what you were trying to imply with the mention of a given experiment.  I could have ignored them - but that might have been rude.  You brought up the PhD (amongst other credentials).  You brought up the experiments and the comparisons.  It (all) could have been left out, but...

Anyway - to sum up what I have seen on the opposite side of this discussion...

Jump in head first, get a third party start menu, use a local account, turn on autologon, turn off the lock after sleep and use a different email application than the built-in one and Windows 8 is now more like Windows 7 all without the only choice being the tile start menu (still there - but the classic is back too), removing the need for a Microsoft account, eliminating the pesky logon security and not using the tablet-like email application (that does, yes, reflect back on how the Android and Apple devices in the same category work - meaning you have to have a Google or Apple account to use some parts of them) and do it all with a little haughtiness.

I did get all your points only I think you did not get any of mine nor the points of others... 

this is supposed to be a room for complaining and asking for help and not for being enamoured with the product..

just read the number of headlines in the general forum that start with "I hate Win 8". If you want to read comments about how much people love Win 8, read a forum that is titled with that... this isn't it.

What you are also forgetting or are ignorant about since you never asked is whether we who ended up with a computer wanted to have the Win 8 on it at all.... I did not want Win 8... Win 7 was perfect for me and would have loved to buy the laptop I bought with Win 7.. if it were available! The quality of the computer I needed for the price I wanted to pay for it came with it.. I had no choice about it. Thus I have the right to "not like" what OS I got given that I did not want that in the first place.

Thus it is not the case that I "bought" Win 8 and now I don;t like it but rather I bought a computer that CAME with it and I don't like it... but I have no way of getting out of it.

Sometimes a bit of more information asking can be helpful... my resistance to your statements came from this--and this realization just came to me now.

If you buy a system and are not happy with it - you do have a choice.   Non-technical: Return it or slightly more technical: install the OS you want on it.

What specific laptop is it?  Windows 8 Pro?  Have you asked Dell about your downgrade rights if you have Windows 8 Pro?

This particular computer did not come with downgrade rights.. that is the whole point but this was i7 with 8 GB RAM and 1 TB hard drive, which is what I wanted. This was Cyber Monday and this particular computer was only available with Win 8 and only for a short time for the money I paid for it... It doesn't say on Dell's website which Win 8 it is.. just says Win 8... http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=fncwl44h&model\_id=inspiron-15r-5520&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19 

For what I need: i7 and as large a RAM and also hard drive as possible.. the rest did not matter to me albeit a non-integrated video card would have been nice... it still works quite well for what I need and doesn't get hot. I did not think it mattered if it were Win 7 or 8 since I have used all of Windows operating systems (except for 2000) and I never ever had any probllems since I could always either go into the shell or just simply did not have to do any changes--as in the case of Win 7..

I had no clue about Win 8 acting and looking like a toy I would buy my grandkids... I don't care what OS I have as long as it lets me do what I need to do quickly and efficiently and 8 gave me the hardest time ever...

I am almost fine now.. Start8 was very useful and I no longer need to type in my password to turn it on.. things are looking up... albeit there is still some ways to go. And I may indeed install 7 on it if I cannot feel happy with it after a few weeks... I may just do that except that is an extra purchase I did not count on since this model did not come with an option of downgrading.

If you have to download a third-party app in order to get the results you want for an OS then there is something wrong. If you have microsoft MVP's by the name of Ken Blake telling you that you are stupid because you dont like the new UI atmosphere then maybe its about time to switch to Apple or the google chrome netbooks and wait it out until windows 9, maybe switch to GNU/Linux since many things are getting ported over there. Maybe just download windows 7 and get a keygen to unlock it since you already technically paid for the product hated it I find no problem in that.