Is there a stop to Internet Backgammon cheaters?

Anonymous
2010-04-09T18:01:10+00:00

So I have enjoyed playing Backgammon in the past, but nowadays is just IMPOSSIBLE.  I am sure many others have noticed this.  There are players out there that can control the dice at least for them, and some can even move more chips than the allowed by standard rules.

For example, not 10 minutes ago, I rolled 6 and 5, then the guy doubled me on his first roll, and got double three, then I rolled and I got 4 and 1, then he rolled and got 3 and 1, then I rolled and got 3 and 2, then he rolled and got double 5 eating my lonely chip in position 1 and covering position 3 from position 8.  Do you call that a lucky roll?  I call that an engineered roll, if you know Backgammon.

Yesterday, a guy moved 6 chips using a double 5.  That same guy rolled 4 consecutive pairs.

Yesterday, I had 5 out of 6 positions occupied in my side and I ate one of the other player's chips.  I did this repeatedly.  The guy just lost 1 roll out of 4 chips I ate.  He also had 5 of 6 positions occupied.  He ate a chip of mine twice.  I had to roll some 10 times before I could get out each time.

If you know Backgammon, you know this is NOT right.  Losers out there have found a way to cheat, and that ruins the fun for us, the ones with a brain.

Microsoft, please put an end to this.  Your Windows license is expensive, and I paid for it, and I expect to be able to enjoy all the features in the OS, and that includes the included Internet gaming.  Roll a patch that can end this blatant cheating!

MCP

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2010-04-10T13:55:17+00:00

Hi,

If you have any feedback’s, then I would suggest you to post here:

https://connect.microsoft.com/?wa=wsignin1.0

 Please respond back with the status of the issue and let us know if you have any issues.

 Azam – Microsoft

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  1. Anonymous
    2011-12-28T13:20:47+00:00

    I have many times suffered from the cheat bug wherby opponent moves piece back and forward a few times, and then I don't get a chance to throw before I am timed out.

     

    Does anyone know how this happens, and can it be avoided?

    I wish I did.

    Thuis in my opinion is the only real cheating. When opponent throws that 21-1 throw needed to get him out of trouble, I doubt he is cheating, just that the dice are not random.

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  2. Anonymous
    2011-12-28T13:17:58+00:00

    There are not 36 different dice combinations, there are 21. there is a 21-1 chance of any given throw

    LOL  There are 36 different dice possibilities.  Remember, a 4 -3 is not a 3 - 4.  You have a 2 in 36 probability of rolling two dice with a 3 and a 4 showing, 1 in 18.  There is only one 4-4.  There is a 1 in 36 probability of rolling a 4-4.  But the probabilities of individual dice is largely irrelevant in backgammon.  It is the probabilites of the single die and the sum of the pips that really matter. 

    There are 21 different combinations: a 4-3 is the same as a 3-4. Just because different dice throw up different throws the result is the same: Therefore the odds of throwing a dble 6 is 21-1; dble 3 is 21-1, and 5-2 is 21-1. It does not matter which dice throws up a 5 or a 2.

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  3. Anonymous
    2011-12-28T02:38:23+00:00

    There are not 36 different dice combinations, there are 21. there is a 21-1 chance of any given throw

    LOL  There are 36 different dice possibilities.  Remember, a 4 -3 is not a 3 - 4.  You have a 2 in 36 probability of rolling two dice with a 3 and a 4 showing, 1 in 18.  There is only one 4-4.  There is a 1 in 36 probability of rolling a 4-4.  But the probabilities of individual dice is largely irrelevant in backgammon.  It is the probabilites of the single die and the sum of the pips that really matter. 

    You are correct in you probability analysis and the fact that an individual die is largely irrelevant.  This is true in an ideal game such as on a physical board and not a computer generated roll.  However I have counted the computer generated come-out rolls of my opponents (a single die) and find a lack of randomness.  See my previous postings.  The first or 'come-out' roll of one die is relevant only in establishing the randomness of a die, and hence, the potential cheating of an opponent.  A come out roll of a six has an extraordinary large occurrence (more than double its probability).  Therefore I have concluded that any come out roll of a six indicates a high probability that the player is cheating.

    Try counting number of times you opponent rolls one six on the very first roll of one die.  See what you get.  You would expect 1 out of 6 come-out rolls (or games).

    Also a long time player - mostly physical boards and real dice.

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  4. Anonymous
    2011-12-22T17:27:43+00:00

    If anyone finds a decent internet backgammon site (sans hacks).  Please post!

    play65

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