Windows 7 (advanced) search pane?

Anonymous
2010-01-27T14:40:15+00:00

I've been using Windows 7 for some time now, and loving it!

However, when I was preaching to my family and friends, they asked me if the Advanced Search pane (that we used to have in XP) is back in Windows 7.

Of course, with the Windows Search Advanced Query Syntax (let's call this AQS), we are able to achieve what the advanced search pane could and more. But then they brought up a pretty good point:

Why should I (they) have to learn/memorize a special syntax in order to perform a complex search, when the advanced search pane in XP was so much more straightforward? And I kinda agree with them.

E.g, without looking at the AQS documentation, how many of you can immediately come up with the single search criteria for:

  1. all jpg and png files (only)
  2. that are in e:\images and d:\images and f:\dir\images
  3. without recursing into any subdirectories
  4. that are larger than 10KB
  5. and was created between 25th of December and 1st of January?

Anyone got an answer for that?

Or is there some sort of advanced search pane like in Outlook? Pick from a list of filters the field to search/filter by, and you get a nice label/textbox for you to type in?

I've done some digging, and it seems like there's only partial (restricted) support for this. E.g, in the Music library, you can only add filters for Album, Artist, Genre, Length; Documents: Authors, Type, Date modified, Size; etc.

And when you're not in a library, e.g, folder on an external disk, the only filters you can add are Date modified and Size.

Are there any ways to add more filters? Or are we limited to either: 1) relying on the filters that Windows 7 *THINKS* we need, or 2) buckle down and memorize the AQS?

[Edit]

Here's another story: I was explaining to my mom how you could build an AQS search criteria, and she remarked (paraphrased), "Why is it trying to search when you're not even done typing? Why not have a search button that begins searching only when you are ready to?"

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@CmdrKeene 90,631 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
2011-11-13T16:56:45+00:00

By default, Windows only searches inside files if the location is indexed (so it can return instant results). You can tell Windows to do an intensive search (just like XP would have done).

  1. Open Folder Options (type 'folder' into the Start menu to find it).
  2. On the Search tab, click the 2nd option ("Always search file names and contents"), then click OK.

After that, using quotes to phrase-search inside files should work, even in un-indexed locations.  Searches may take a while if the location isn't indexed (just like XP), but they'll be complete and should return the results you want.

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One more note:  If the location is indexed, but your phrase isn't being found.... do this to make sure the file type is getting indexed.  Do this, for example, if you are trying to find a phrase inside a non-standard file like a JavaScript or PHP file:

  1. Type 'index' into your Start menu to find the Indexing Options, then click the Advanced button.
  2. On the File Types tab, find the file type you want to be indexed (tip: click in the list, then type the file type letters like JS to jump to it).
  3. With the file type selected, make sure the 2nd option is selected "Index properties and file contents", then click OK to close each box.

I believe these two setting changes would resolve about 90% of search frustrations people commonly have with Windows 7.  Please let me know if this helps for you.

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Anonymous
2010-02-09T01:26:47+00:00

Maybe it's just me, but how can you even get that far?

My "search" usually just stalls before it lets me even BEGIN to add a filter. Do you just initiate the initial search from a new explorer window? Or do you initiate the search from the start icon and then add a filter...or.....?

To me, Search is defunct...99% of my data is on a network share and it can't find it even if I am in the folder that I am searching for

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@CmdrKeene 90,631 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
2010-02-02T12:28:25+00:00

I think rather than finding the filter, they'd rather you just type a few parts of the file and Windows will figure it out for you (whether you type the author or whatever).  I don't necessarily agree with that, lol.

You can see more filters if you expand the search box, but who would consider that an intuitive interface?  I think this could have been implemented much differently with better results.  Perhaps the 'search filters' could be checkboxes at the bottom of that menu, or even at the top similar to the library pane's links.  Perhaps Windows 8 will have more time spend on this area.

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2010-01-29T03:35:12+00:00

You don't have to learn or know the syntax.  It's really easier than it may appear on the surface.

Instead of trying to figure out the syntax, simply type what you're looking for.  If you want to search a specific type of info (like Author or Date, anything that used to be in the Advanced pane), it appears for you.  Simply click it and you're done.

In this picture below, I didn't have to type any of that, I just clicked "Add a search filter".  It's the same options from Windows 7, but now they're blue links instead of a big bunch of text boxes.


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  1. Anonymous
    2010-12-22T18:50:50+00:00

    Seriously?

    This has been up for 1 year on a microsoft.com domain. with 15.000 views.

    And still no answer?

    Not to mention the fact the most of peoples replies are to debate whether Windows 7 Search is better or worse, or telling people to practically learn a new programming language and to stick with Windows 7 search instead?

    Granted, a lot of you are techs, geeks, sysadmin's etc, and are comfortable grasping new ways to create scripts, batches and queries. I´m not having a go at anyone. Just saying that some people want certain things a certain way.

    So, to those who ask "Why would you want to use classic windows search anyway???" , if someone asks how + where he can download + use an animated dragon for a mouse pointer, you would reply to him saying "Why use a dragon? Dolphins are clearly better. Also, why download it? there are millions of applications out there which allow you to create your own animated dragon gifs."

    But this is just unbelievable. NOONE from Microsoft has taken note of this? Not even offered an OPTIONAL down-loadable add-on that would resolve this?

    (If you have.... you haven´t yet presented any fucntional, easy, concise solution in an easy to find way.)

    Well, I solved it the way I want. It completely works for everything I want. 100% pure windows classic search.

    I installed a minimal WinXP in a VM on my windows 7 host, shared all my relevant local + networked drives with the guest OS.

    And guess what?

    I can now search for:

    All files in G:, L:\ and M:\DBS, larger than 3.8GB, that have the string "34l" in the names and were modified last tuesday. Time it takes to "construct the query": 7 seconds.

    All mps's in all my drives, which have the string "mH" in their names, and not "Mh", that are smaller than 4mb. Time it takes to "construct the query": 7 seconds.

    I dont want or need to learn anything new. I dont want or need to think and restructure what my search terms and queries should be. I am used to classic search, I use it efficiently and quickly, and it works. Simple as that.

    So, to resume:

    • Time it took me to install, configure and set up a XP VM in my Windows 7 that gets all my searches done EXACTLY how I want to do them : around 2 hours
    • Time I've spent searching for a solution to this problem that microsoft has created? probably more than 8 hours over the last couple of months. With no answer.

    Sorry about the flame. Hard day. :D

    Merry xmas, BTW

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