Surface Pro 3 external monitor / display port issues

Anonymous
2014-09-04T17:19:34+00:00

I know many people have been having issues with external monitors and the displayport connections on the Surface Pro 3 and Surface dock.  I've been having some issues too, and thought I'd share my config / workarounds in case it helps. I believe the issue is fundamentally with the Surface video drivers getting confused, not the docking station. 

My explicit questions are: Is there an easy way to force it to detect new displays?  Anybody have any other suggestions on how to resolve this?  Is there some way to open a formal technical ticket with MS?

My hardware: Surface Pro 3 i7, 256 GB; Surface docking station, 2 HP Z24i displays (1920x1200 resolution each), StarTech Mini DisplayPort 1.2 to Triple Head DisplayPort MST Hub (StarTech PN# MSTMDP123DP)

It's setup as follows: Mini DisplayPort MST Hub plugged into back of docking station, HP monitors plugged into ports 1 and 2 of the hub.

I've had this setup running for about 2 weeks. At first I couldn't get it working, but with the last firmware update in mid August it started working fine.

HOWEVER, just this week I've had issues where I can't get the Surface to detect the displays / output to them when I first plug in to the dock in the morning OR sometimes when it's waking up from going to sleep (like at lunchtime). No amount of fiddling / plugging / unplugging things seems to consistently fix it.  The 'Detect' button in the Screen Resolution window doesn't help.  Doing a shutdown / restart of the Surface also doesn't consistently work. Note that when the Surface gets like this, even plugging the Hub directly into the mini display port on the Surface itself (with it not docked) won't work.

The reason I believe this is a Surface / Windows issues is that when it gets into this state, within the screen resolution settings in windows it often thinks that there is another active display plugged in and will act as such (e.g. lets me extend or duplicate the desktop) - even if I have the surface completely undocked, not plugged into anything. Specifically it says it is a "Display device on: Mobile PC Display" with a resolution lower than 1024 x 768.  See pic below.  This state often survives through a reboot of the Surface.

The general process I usually get to work after a couple tries:

-Use Windows-P keys to set the surface to use only the internal display

-Shutdown the surface and undock

-Unplug the dock and hub

-Plug hub back in

-Power Surface back up while undocked and login

-Dock surface

-Plug dock back in

-I'll know it works at this point because the displays will automatically come on (no need to use windows-P key to toggle them)

NOTE TO FORUM MODS:

Before you reply with your standard questions, know that I've already done all the normal things, including shutdown, check all cables, all updates installed, run the hardware and devices troubleshooter.  I've also checked related threads, such as: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/forum/surfpro3-surfdevice/external-display-flicker/1e2b9154-0533-4137-880f-55a90d2d6659?page=1&tm=1409850909719 (Note I've never had an issue with flicker) and http://www.surfaceforums.net/threads/mini-displayport-on-new-docking-station-doesnt-work.10577/ (This isn't an active vs. passive adapter thing.)  Once I get it working it works just fine until the surface undocks or reboots.  It's clearly an issue with Windows / Surface not properly detecting displays.

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  1. Anonymous
    2015-10-05T21:09:03+00:00

    They recommended the StarTech MST Hub, (Part MSTMDP123DP) which is the one with the mini-DisplayPort. That works like a charm on the Surfaces that we have on both Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.

    Docking while on, power on when docked, docking, un-docking and docking again all works perfectly so far. Resolution stays on what it should do. Quite happy so far.

    Microsoft support is not telling the truth. Because many of us on Windows 8.1 with that exact StarTech MST Hub, Part MSTMDP123DP, are having issues and they know as we have reported that to them...

    StarTech even sent me a new hub in case the existing one was faulty, but it had exactly the same issues.

    I will try and upgrade to Windows 10 when I finish my current workload. Hopefully that will fix the issue.

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  2. Anonymous
    2015-10-06T09:37:46+00:00

    I have the Startech MSTMDP123DP which have worked "fine" (a lot of hasle setting it up) for a month or so on Surface Pro 3 windows 10 Enterprise. After undocking it and redock the day after, i could only connect 1 monitor. Tried a lot of disconnecting and re-connecting but without success, and I actually thought the MST hub failed. In device manager I could see all 3 screens, but was unable to detect them in display settings. Finally i downloaded Intel HD 5000 display driver from Intel site, and manually updated the driver in device manager. (unzip driver and choose the "Have disk" during driver search, point to the Graphics folder).

    Using the Intel tools afterwards, I now have all 3 screens back online.

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  3. Anonymous
    2015-10-23T14:04:58+00:00

    From time to time i'll have monitor display issues  between the Surface Pro 3 (i7) and the doc and the external monitors connected to the dock and to the port in the Surface Pro 3.

    Today's was a new variation... in this problem where I am trying to run two external monitors, when starting the computer this morning, only one external would work at a time. I could connect either the minihdmi (and it would work external-extend) OR i could connect the dock (and it would work external-extend). In both of those cases it would show that it counted 3 displays, but the options were excluding the other number so that it was always "1 and 3" or "1 and 2" but not anything that allowed for all three to be working at the same time... if I DID choose to only display external and not use the surface pro 3 screen, then magically the two external DID work correctly.

    I've looked online and seen many, many, many people running through issues and I thought I'd share the things that I've done that, so far, have worked when trying them all in a row, or together, or over again till the monitors work correctly to allow me to have 2 external monitors and the Surface Pro 3 screen all working together.

    1. first off, most of the time, going to display settings kicks it into checking for externals and they show up at that point
    2. unplug minihdmi from Surface Pro 3, disconnect doc, reconnect
    3. do the same and switch which monitors are plugged where (crazy, but this helped a couple times)
    4. plug in one at a time and see what happens, check the "extend" settings each time
    5. restart while being plugged in to dock and minihdmi
    6. restart while NOT being plugged in to both and then plug in one at a time after start up has finished
    7. check for updates while the dock is connected and run any updates
    8. this is the best one, has worked twice when other things did not... roll back to a previous restore point. twice now, when monitors have stopped working correctly there was a "critical update" the night before. I roll back to a week or two previous and magically everything works like it used to.

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  4. Anonymous
    2015-10-31T00:21:38+00:00

    This is getting ridiculous.  My three monitor setup was working fine, then it broke after an update, another update fixed it and now another freaking update broke it again.  Microsoft really need to get their shat together as it is becoming increasingly difficult to be an advocate.

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  5. Anonymous
    2015-11-02T16:13:33+00:00

    Reading this thread with trepidation and providing my saga. Long story - this is still not fixed. We have been having this problem since November of 2014 un and including today 11/2/2015.

    I bought two Surface Pro 3 i7 256Gig units with two docking station when they first came out. One for me and one for my wife. I have twin 2008 Syncmaster 26" displays with DVI/HDMI inputs. My wife had twin Dell 19" Ultra sharps and now has twin Dell U2414h displays. I also purchased a third docking station as my wife has a home office and an office-office and moves her SP3 back and forth.

    The SP3 had Windows 8 on them, did the update to 8.1, then I did Win10 preview, then full blown windows 10. The wife updated to Windows 10 just this past month when she got her new monitors with the miniDisplayPort daisy chaining.

    When my wife was on Windows 8.1 and the two 19" Dell Ultra sharps she had one StarTech miniDisplay port to DVI adapter connected to the docking station and one Starttech miniDisplayPort to DVI connected to the miniDisplayPort on the SP3 itself. This worked (no display problems) from November of 2014 until she updated to the newer displays and the miniDisplay port chaining last month.

    My twin Samsung Syncmaster 26" display were connected with miniDisplayPort to DVI cables, one to the dock and one to the SP3 directly. This setup also worked from November up until I bought the StartTech 3 headed MSTMDP123DP DisplayPort powered adapter and connected both displays to the MST hub via CableMatters DisaplyPort to HDMI cables.

    What I mean by not working; If the SP3 goes to sleep or hibernate, when it wakes - if it wakes, the external displays are not recognized and thus get no displayed image. If the SP3 is shut down and not allowed to enter sleep/hibernate 50% of the time when the machine boots, the display may or may not be recognized. Sometimes when the SP3 enters sleep mode, when awaken the displays either flash repeatedly, or there is no visible display. Interesting thing here is that the system 'thinks' that the displays are there and if you blindly type in your login password or PIN number, the system will come out of sleep on the built-in primary display. Powering down or up the external displays has no effect.

    What we have done = all of these listed items failed to fix the problem:

    • Obviously all updates through the Windows 10 update process - which I manually do every single day now - many SP3 firmware updates in the last year, none have fixed the situation.
    • I have read that the new Dell U2414h monitors had to have firmware post May 2015, not A00 but A01. The four of them that I bought are all post May 2015. (Wife has two at home and two at office) - so this doesn't fix it. http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/peripherals/f/3529/t/19600249

    http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/peripherals/f/3529/t/19585842

    So long story short...... the problem still exists.

    Startechs steps to fix it:  

    • Plug the Startech adapter into the SP3 directly with no monitor connected.
    • Connect one monitor.
    • In the Windows 10 display settings (right click in center of screen and select screen resolution) select DUPLICATE display on both adapters.

    Then do it again and select extend display to the new display.

    • Connect the second external display.
    • Again right click, screen resolution, and select DUPLICATE screen 1 on screen 3.
    • Again select screen resolution and select Extend display to Screen 3.

    :: This worked.

    Then remove the adapter from the SP#'s port and connect to the docking station. Then repeat all of the steps selecting the duplicate then extended display on 2 and then again on screen 3.

    :: This is where the tech support guy said - see it all works.

    I made him wait while I rebooted. When it attempted to reboot, the Surface Pro 3 got stuck with the word Surface on the internal display but I never got the rotating dots during the boot. I opened the dock and hit the power button twice and the system would boot. Repeating the shut down after resetting the displays so I had all three screens again, again the machine failed to boot - removing the Startech adapter from the Docking station allowed the machine to boot. Therefore the Startech unit was causing the machine to not boot. This occurred about 50% of the time. The support person had no solution.

    When the machine fails to boot and the word SURFACE is on the main display, I have let this sit for several hours and it never proceeds.

    So this is my process. I shut down completely when I am gone for a large chunk of the day. When I do boot it up, if it fails to boot, I open the dock and hit the power button twice. I let it boot. Then I close the docking station. Sometimes the displays come up. Mostly not. If they do not, I right click on the internal display and select duplicate display to screen 2 (both screen 2 and screen 3 are listed in the pull down). Apply changes. Select screen resolution again and extend to screen 2. Screen resolution again duplicate internal display onto display 3. Then lastly screen resolution again and extend to screen three. Every time I do this, screen 2 and screen 3 are in a different spot. Frustrating as then I have to play the find the cursor game.

    I also force the power settings in the control panel to never go to sleep and never hibernate while I am working a majority of the day or weekend.I simply created a new power profile names "NeverF'inSleep".

    This is most certainly a Surface Pro Docking station issue.

    I guess no one on the Surface Pro team using two or more external displays or they would most certainly be pulling their hair out. The quick boot on these systems is worthless when the darn displays take ten minutes to get up and running.

    UPDATE: Amazon is great. I returned my StarTech adapter and both DP - HDMI cables and got my $125 back. I am now using two mini DP - HDMI cables; one connected from the SP3 dmDP connector to one Samsung SyncMaster and the other cable connected from the docking station mDP to the other Samsung SyncMaster monitor. No issues for several days. It is just a pain to have the video cable hanging off the side of the Surface Pro - running through the curtain rod so it doesn't fall behind the desk every time I want to disconnect or reconnect. But hey - all the monitors work and wake up properly.

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