Surface Pro 2017 Backlight Bleed

Anonymous
2017-07-08T04:33:15+00:00

Question: Why isn't Microsoft acknowledging the new Surface Pro 2017 display backlight bleed defect and ignoring its customers after the launch of the product? When will they solve the problem? Because all of the units have the defect and replacing it at the Microsoft store is not a viable solution at the moment.

My new Surface Pro 2017 core i7 8GB (lot 1722) has backlight bleed on the whole bottom edge and left side of the screen. You don't normally notice it in landscape mode because the black taskbar hides it, but if you read a white background fullscreen article in portrait mode it's pretty obvious with one side of the screen being brighter than the other side.This light bleed is most noticeable in the colours blue and white and harder to see in black colours (which are usually used in backlight bleed tests).

The quickest way to test and see if your screen has this problem is to press CTRL+ALT+DEL and bring up the blue screen. On the bottom of the blue screen you should see a bright blue/white bar compared to the rest of the screen which is the defective light bleed. All the showcase models in the Microsoft Store I looked at had this problem. I have yet to see a new Surface Pro without this defect. Can anyone post a picture of their CTRL+ALT+DEL screen without the light bleed?

I think people who claim not to have it aren't looking close enough to notice it. Is Microsoft going to acknowledge this display defect and are they working on fixing it in future batches?

Also, if I wait more than one month to exchange my Surface Pro would I get a refurbished model or a new one? If they are going to give me a refurbished model I might as well just return this defective device and get a full refund. When we pay premium prices we expect premium quality. This defect would have been acceptable on a cheap tablet, but not a Microsoft product. Please fix the issue as soon as possible!

Tip: If you want to test your screen on different colours go to http://www.deadpixelbuddy.com/ and choose a colour then switch to fullscreen (win key+shift+enter on Edge or F11 on Chrome) and view the fabulous results and take a picture and post it here so we can prove that it's a universal problem.

I AM NOT THE SOURCE OF THE PICTURES BELOW, THEY ARE FROM REPLIES TO THIS POST OR REDDIT LINKS GIVEN BELOW. THE FIRST PICTURE (WHICH HAS BEEN USED IN TECH NEWS WEBSITES) BELONGS TOWALMART MARKETING TEAMUSER ON REDDIT! I HAVE ONLY GATHERED THEM HERE.

Subreddits discussing this topic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/search?q=backlight+bleed&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&t=month

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6nyb28/light_bleed_dark_spots_and_other_display_issues/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Surface

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6iji8k/surface_pro_2017_backlight_bleeding_survey/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6k94qe/just_bought_my_new_surface_pro_2017_i_might_be/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6jggz5/is_this_light_bleed/?st=J4X9C9Y6&sh=319ae1cc

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6jigz0/whats_your_surface_pro_2017_lot_number_any_issues/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6kv9ky/light_bleed_on_surface_pro_2017/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6ia9ow/so_2017_model_has_worse_backlight_bleeding_issue/?st=J4X991Y6&sh=ce9fea3f

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6i8lcz/backlight_bleeding_surface_pro_2017_i5_8gb/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6k0bvh/dark_bar_on_new_surface_pro_backlight_bleed/?st=J4X99C5T&sh=3cf086b6

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6m4mbb/does_anyone_not_have_any_backlight_bleeding_on/?st=J4X9AR3G&sh=f74b2d3d

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6ite0s/new_surface_pro_light_bleed_not_solved/?st=J4X9B9PD&sh=c24b21d7

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6m2b55/report_surface_pro_2017_backlight_bleed_here/?st=J4X969LQ&sh=1df2eab6

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6j8hau/picked_up_brand_new_surface_pro_i7_512gb16g_ram/

As you can see there are A LOT so do not deny the defect and claim it's a minor issue in a few models. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY MICROSOFT!

Edit: I just realized I posted the original issue as a discussion post and therefore it didn't have the requirement for it to be responded like a question, so I'm editing it so people can also click the "Me Too" button until we get an official/semi-official response from a Microsoft representative. I've also added more subreddits and pictures.

UPDATE (17/07/2017 11:25 AM GMT): The broken image links have been fixed.

**ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:**A lot of tech websites have reported the issue and especially used the first image in this post and attributed it to me. I must note that none of these images are mine and they all come from the reddit posts I linked below them. The specific top image is from the user WalmartMarketingTeam

https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/6k94qe/just_bought_my_new_surface_pro_2017_i_might_be/djk79ga/

http://imgur.com/vbofsSa

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  1. Anonymous
    2017-07-25T14:49:44+00:00

    Hideous. Are you returning it?

    I've got a fifth one coming in via UPS today.

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  2. Anonymous
    2017-07-25T15:08:53+00:00

    I will return it and I don't see the reason to try for another one. All three were pretty much identical. I have never in 20 years been so frustrated with a laptop purchase and never seen such dishonest practices. It's obvious that they knew about these issues and are moving defective stock. It would all be ok if there was a physical store here and I could see 2-3 machines in a matter of minutes, walk away and go spend my money elsewhere. But I lost almost a month between replacement requests and paypal ping pong. 

    Taking your customers for a ride is completely shameless. Any honest company would try to locate the defective batch and eliminate it from circulation as soon as these problems become evident. Which leads me to believe that there is no "batch". This is the product.

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  3. Anonymous
    2017-07-25T23:31:23+00:00

    Yep, I'd be willing to bet that every single 2017 Surface Pro in the retail channel right now has this problem. Come on Microsoft!!!

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  4. Anonymous
    2017-07-26T18:58:23+00:00

    (I know Brain&Force believes the problem is "dark bands", but that's mostly an optical illusion combining the effect of excessive brightness on the edge, and the dimming due to viewing angles.)

    I don't think the dark banding is an illusion. If anything, I think backlight bleed is not the real issue here, but the dark band is. My Surface Pro 2017 has less light bleed than my Surface Pro 3. The light bleed on either device does not affect regular usage either - this is with the screen on max brightness and a completely black background, which isn't normal usage.

    The problem, at least for me, is certainly the brightness variation of the screen. At normal viewing angles it's very visible, and it's visible on backgrounds which aren't black and at full brightness.

    Yes, the dark bands look worse at the edges, but even still, it's something I consider unacceptable. Without the dark band, the screen would look more uniform.

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  5. Anonymous
    2017-07-26T23:07:16+00:00

    B&F, see here, this is your same photo with only the bright part cut-out.

    You don't see any dark band anymore, do you? Not any more than what you have at the top, just rotate the picture around or flip it upside down. Because the "dark band" part of the image is actually the same shade of gray as the part above it. Your eyes tell you it's darker in the original, because there's the bright area just below. You can try the same thing in MS Paint (bless its soul, it lives!). Or go ahead and try in real life to cover the bright area of your screen with a notepad or a book or something (just half an inch or so, only the bright area), and you won't see any dark band. I think the reddit thread is very misguided in this regard.

    There are two reasons why people are confused about why the problem mostly appears at mid-brightness:

    1. There's almost no light bleed when the screen is black because this Surface seems to have rather smart dynamic LED dimming, where it practically turns off the backlight for dark content. So the issue disappears.
    2. When the brightness is turned all the way up, we are in high-exposure mode and the contrast is less perceptible to the human eye. You can emulate this with the camera (at any brightness) by increasing the exposure, and the camera won't "see" / your pictures won't have the non-uniformity. Conversely, even at 100% brightness, if you set your camera at very low exposure, it will see the same non-uniformity that your eye fails to see. It's just how we perceive things in bright contexts versus dark, it's complicated.

    Bottom line: There is no dark band. It's non-uniform backlight in the form of excess brightness at the edge, aka bleed.

    Whomever reads this: please download and test the following compensation patterns in full screen in Paint and tell us, does it "fix" your non-uniformity? (See my earlier posts for explanations). It's not a cure yet, but may signal a possible cure. Thanks.

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