Surface Pro 3 LGC Battery Degradation

Anonymous
2017-02-16T00:04:44+00:00

Split from this thread.

Split from this thread.

It was suggested that I open a new thread for this issue that I am having.

Since the Win 10 Anniversary update, I was not able to turn on my Surface Pro 3 i7 512GB with LGC LGC Battery without having it plugged in with the power supply or docking (I own a total of Three Surface Pro 3 Docks at home and 2 offices). It always said "82%, Plugged in, Not Charging", and would always instantly turn off once I pulled off the power supply tab.

I had spoke with a Technical Agent online, had my Pro 3 remote accessed, did all the proposed solutions, and even had a call from Bellevue, WA (I live in Hong Kong) before I found out that it was a software issue as stated by Microsoft.

With Auto Update turned on, I was notified that I should restart my Pro 3 this morning while I was on the docking station. I was happy that this issue was going to be resolved, but now I am disappointed that this firmware update did nothing for my Pro 3.

I'm hoping that someone out there has some suggestions.

Thank You.

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  1. Anonymous
    2016-11-10T15:07:22+00:00

    Installed the update yesterday, and there is no improvement over my existing condition.

    My surface still shuts down instantly when unplugged. Has anyone actually had their issue resolved after installing this?

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  2. Anonymous
    2016-11-10T15:10:10+00:00

    I think one of the problems here is a failure of communication.

    For instance, it isn't 100% clear to me if the recent software fix of 7 November was expected to fix the issue that I have and that several other people have described or if it was aimed at another issue.

    To be quite clear, the symptoms are:

    1. When I hover over the battery icon, it currently says  "49% available (plugged in not charging)"
    2. When I first became aware there was a problem about a month or two ago, this was "97% available (plugged in not charging)".  It has declined by about 1% per day since then.
    3. Since the problem started, the computer has refused to work at all on battery.  The instant ac power is interrupted, it goes off.
    4. Not sure if it's related, but, since this problem started, unless I unplug the power lead from the wall socket and them plug it in again before start-up, it goes into an endless start-up loop of self-diagnosing problems.

    Since there have been several battery issues described in this thread, I would appreciate it if advice from Microsoft made it quite clear which problem is being addressed, especially in relation to software fixes.

    The "fuel gauge" analogy could be interpreted as applying to this problem, but it's also possible that it has nothing to do with it.

    Just on another tack, if this problem only affects a few machines, why not do something to make those owners happy.  If it's widespread, how about a bit of urgency in dealing with it? 

    Knowing whether or not there is any point in holding out for a software fix would be very helpful.  I'm in desperate need of a portable computer and need to get something else in the meantime if this fiasco goes on much longer.

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  3. Anonymous
    2016-11-10T17:21:36+00:00

    The 11/7/16 update did not address my LGC battery issue: before the 8/29 update I was getting 5-7 hours of battery life and since then I'm getting 1.5 hours if I'm really lucky.  Yes, I restarted twice after the update installed.  No, I'm not a happy camper.  Here's my battery report to add to the rest.  ~Wendy 

    Battery report

    COMPUTER NAME DESKTOP-OEAB487
    SYSTEM PRODUCT NAME Microsoft Corporation Surface Pro 3
    BIOS 3.11.1550 06/30/2016
    OS BUILD 14393.447.amd64fre.rs1_release_inmarket.161102-0100
    PLATFORM ROLE Slate
    CONNECTED STANDBY Supported
    REPORT TIME 2016-11-10 10:32:38

    Installed batteries

    Information about each currently installed battery

    NAME X883815
    MANUFACTURER LGC-LGC
    SERIAL NUMBER 1163205124
    CHEMISTRY LION
    DESIGN CAPACITY 42,157 mWh
    FULL CHARGE CAPACITY 39,718 mWh
    CYCLE COUNT 107

    Recent usage

    Power states over the last 3 days

    2016-11-08 15:39:32 Active Battery 100 % 39,680 mWh
    17:28:18 Connected standby Battery 4 % 1,398 mWh
    17:28:20 Suspended 4 % 1,398 mWh
    2016-11-09 09:34:38 Connected standby Battery 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:34:38 Suspended 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:35:13 Connected standby AC 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:35:13 Active AC 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:41:00 Suspended 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:45:47 Active AC 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:45:47 Suspended 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:48:42 Active AC 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:48:42 Suspended 100 % 39,535 mWh
    09:50:54 Active AC 100 % 39,535 mWh
    11:56:15 Active Battery 100 % 39,535 mWh
    12:17:37 Suspended 82 % 32,612 mWh
    12:19:06 Active Battery 81 % 32,178 mWh
    13:40:37 Active AC 5 % 2,090 mWh
    13:46:36 Active Battery 6 % 2,516 mWh
    13:49:40 Connected standby Battery 4 % 1,398 mWh
    13:49:42 Suspended 4 % 1,398 mWh
    2016-11-10 10:31:00 Active Battery 100 % 39,718 mWh
    10:31:00 Report generated Battery 100 % 39,718 mWh

    Battery usage

    Battery drains over the last 3 days

    2016-11-08 15:39:32 Active 1:48:46 96 % 38,282 mWh
    17:28:18 Connected standby 0:00:01 - -
    2016-11-09 09:34:38 Connected standby 0:00:00 - -
    11:56:15 Active 0:21:22 18 % 6,923 mWh
    12:19:06 Active 1:21:30 76 % 30,088 mWh
    13:46:36 Active 0:03:04 3 % 1,118 mWh
    13:49:40 Connected standby 0:00:01 - -
    2016-11-10 10:31:00 Active 0:00:00 - -

    Usage history

    History of system usage on AC and battery

    2016-08-14 - 2016-08-21 3:26:54 7:41:48 12:00:10 0:09:16
    2016-08-21 - 2016-08-29 12:59:00 3:31:21 40:07:53 0:29:39
    2016-08-29 - 2016-09-04 - - 20:58:28 0:00:01
    2016-09-04 - 2016-09-11 1:21:44 0:08:22 0:35:40 -
    2016-09-11 - 2016-09-18 1:51:51 1:13:09 - -
    2016-09-18 - 2016-09-25 3:38:58 1:24:14 21:53:45 0:00:01
    2016-09-25 - 2016-10-02 4:06:05 0:00:15 14:39:54 0:00:01
    2016-10-02 - 2016-10-09 4:33:46 0:12:49 35:40:58 0:00:46
    2016-10-09 - 2016-10-16 19:32:29 0:29:42 18:31:57 -
    2016-10-16 - 2016-10-23 15:46:08 - 11:53:54 -
    2016-10-23 - 2016-10-30 9:27:07 17:16:34 - -
    2016-10-30 - - - -
    2016-10-31 5:37:10 0:00:02 4:01:34 0:00:01
    2016-11-01 12:20:08 - - -
    2016-11-02 - - - -
    2016-11-03 0:00:10 - 8:11:26 0:00:02
    2016-11-04 - - 7:45:52 -
    2016-11-05 - - - -
    2016-11-06 - 2016-11-06 1:28:33 - 3:13:46 0:00:01
    2016-11-07 - - - -
    2016-11-08 1:48:45 0:00:01 - -
    2016-11-09 1:45:55 0:00:01 2:17:03 -

    Battery capacity history

    Charge capacity history of the system's batteries

    2016-08-14 - 2016-08-21 40,435 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-08-21 - 2016-08-29 40,081 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-08-29 - 2016-09-04 40,066 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-09-04 - 2016-09-11 39,424 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-09-11 - 2016-09-18 40,097 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-09-18 - 2016-09-25 40,785 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-09-25 - 2016-10-02 41,183 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-10-02 - 2016-10-09 41,652 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-10-09 - 2016-10-16 41,508 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-10-16 - 2016-10-23 41,026 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-10-23 - 2016-10-30 40,686 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-10-30 40,645 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-10-31 40,578 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-01 40,827 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-02 40,827 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-03 40,827 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-04 40,683 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-05 40,614 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-06 - 2016-11-06 40,614 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-07 40,614 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-08 40,289 mWh 42,157 mWh
    2016-11-09 39,592 mWh 42,157 mWh

    Battery life estimates

    Battery life estimates based on observed drains

    2016-08-14 - 2016-08-21 4:42:44 72:07:26<br><br>22 % / 16 h 4:54:47 75:11:43<br><br>21 % / 16 h
    2016-08-21 - 2016-08-29 5:14:18 17:09:02<br><br>93 % / 16 h 5:30:35 18:02:20<br><br>89 % / 16 h
    2016-08-29 - 2016-09-04 - - - -
    2016-09-04 - 2016-09-11 2:00:26 6:53:20<br><br>232 % / 16 h 2:08:47 7:21:59<br><br>217 % / 16 h
    2016-09-11 - 2016-09-18 2:01:53 6:29:06<br><br>247 % / 16 h 2:08:09 6:49:05<br><br>235 % / 16 h
    2016-09-18 - 2016-09-25 1:50:21 9:22:16<br><br>171 % / 16 h 1:54:04 9:41:10<br><br>165 % / 16 h
    2016-09-25 - 2016-10-02 1:53:01 2:46:03<br><br>578 % / 16 h 1:55:41 2:49:59<br><br>565 % / 16 h
    2016-10-02 - 2016-10-09 1:53:34 7:54:06<br><br>202 % / 16 h 1:54:57 7:59:51<br><br>200 % / 16 h
    2016-10-09 - 2016-10-16 5:07:18 8:10:10<br><br>196 % / 16 h 5:12:07 8:17:50<br><br>193 % / 16 h
    2016-10-16 - 2016-10-23 6:12:13 - 6:22:29 -
    2016-10-23 - 2016-10-30 5:09:21 275:19:17<br><br>6 % / 16 h 5:20:32 285:16:32<br><br>6 % / 16 h
    2016-10-30 - - - -
    2016-10-31 7:48:28 - 8:06:42 -
    2016-11-01 13:01:32 - 13:26:59 -
    2016-11-02 - - - -
    2016-11-03 2:59:03 - 3:04:53 -
    2016-11-04 - - - -
    2016-11-05 - - - -
    2016-11-06 - 2016-11-06 1:50:07 - 1:54:18 -
    2016-11-07 - - - -
    2016-11-08 1:54:27 - 1:59:45 -
    2016-11-09 1:49:58 - 1:57:06 -

    Current estimate of battery life based on all observed drains since OS install

    Since OS install 4:03:07 38:11:31<br><br>42 % / 16 h 4:18:03 40:32:14<br><br>39 % / 16 h

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  4. Anonymous
    2016-11-11T05:17:19+00:00

    Just updated the Nov 7th Firmware and my battery went from average 5000 mWh up to 35,000 mWh. I can actually use this as a portable device again. Thank you for not abandoning us using the older Surface products.  Thank you. Now I gotta go get a new battery for my stylus since I think it just died. I can't tell you how happy I am right now. Almost a year, I had this issue.

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  5. Anonymous
    2016-11-11T18:07:56+00:00

    This is the first time i have read someone else mention the endless stream of reboot loops but I have also had that problem. I thought it wasn't related to the battery issue but now I think it may be a symptom. Same thing to resolve endless reboot loop, if I unplug the AC adapter everything will restart normally once plugged back in.

    As others have mentioned, firmware fix seems to be for a different problem, the one discussed here persists.

    I don't really understand the fix, seems to me like it was just about making the battery icon "read" correctly. It doesn't really matter what that the battery capacity or icon shows if the surface dies as soon as its unplugged.

    Microsoft - Focus on the real problem! your tablet has become a really small, crappy and expensive desktop. Your customers bought this product because of its capacity to run full programs with the convenience of a tablet. If we wanted desktops, we would have bought them instead. Give your customers what they paid for. 

    It is offensive that your support team is telling people they are getting a "good" deal on the replacement. $549 for a product that we already paid $1500+ for isn't a deal, its a way to offload old inventory that would otherwise be written off.

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